Free markets and capitalism, if you don't like it, well either vote with your wallet (which you did) or move
There are lots of people paying $5-10K ADMs as I type, I know because I've been trying to sniper one off the lot at max $3K over, and easily 15 have been sold at full ask, 2 of these have been at 15K over
ok, and as I said, every person needs to evaluate what is a good deal for them.
It isn't gratuitous if others are very willing to pay it, the dealer isn't predatory
Hell, the ADMs are less than 10%, that's not even exorbitant
It isn’t gouging, profiteering or any of the overly dramatic words you use
You’re drifting here. I specifically said this is not gouging, which is a government term, but profiteering I quoted from dictionary.com.
We will just have to agree to disagree here.
It is making money, the American way, Raptors are in high demand and some/most people are willing to pay over sticker off the lot
We only have a subset of Raptor consumers represented here, it is difficult to form a standard from internet people. Surely, at least some are willing to pay over MSRP for the truck, that is not in dispute. I am saying that is not a good deal for me, and people should evaluate whether or not paying over MRSP is a good deal for them objectively.
This is what I said previously, not the partial quote you made.
"That’s not what I said, and your premise that somehow I/we “owe” any dealer this ADM is preposterous. We don’t owe ANY dealer anything over MSRP. We are not being compelled by Christ here, nobody is speaking in tongues this is just basic negotiating and deal making. Obviously, a “good deal” means different things to different people, and everyone’s criteria will be different as to whether or not a deal was ‘good’. That said, ADM essentially profiteering ( it is not price gouging, which is a whole different category of government defined behavior ). Profiteering is not in and of itself bad, amoral, unethical or evil, but it is bad for the consumer...
This dealer is simply taking advantage of lesser knowing consumers, as others prove here every, single day someone posts a “made my order at msrp” or “picked up my truck for msrp” thread. The fact that this dealer is neighbors and allegedly friends with the person posting this shows a pretty high level of contempt and disrespect for that relationship. I understand it’s a business, and I do not begrudge a business their profit, but I won’t be financially exploited in that manner and this whole discussion is fun and all, but the reality is that even if the Raptor sold at invoice, the dealer would still make a profit on the truck. MSRP is just several thousand dollars MORE profit. ADM is to profit what a 12 scoop, chocolate, caramel, snickers, M&M, Reeses Pieces, peanut butter sundae is to desserts. It’s profit overkill.
I would be wholly unconcerned about any relationship with someone trying to extract a gratuitous $10000.00 from me.
So, no, I will not - and did not- take a $hit trade deal and did not play the ADM game in the purchase of my Raptor. I drove about 80 minutes to get it, passing at least a dozen Ford dealers with incoming Raptors along the way all wanting ADM, but at least the money I spent went to something tangible I can use.
Why does capitalism bother you? Because you're on the receiving end of it?
Does it bother you when people scalp tickets? Have you ever scalped a ticket?
I guarantee you practice it throughout your life, but don’t be a hypocrite and prevent others from doing the same - that's very un American
I think it was disingenuous and misleading of you to partially quote me and call me a hypocrite, and criticizing my comments as un-American. I in fact want folks to use their objectivity when making a Raptor purchase. Specifically, I was replying to someone who was seemingly rather exasperated indicating that even his neighbor - a dealer - was intending to charge him / her ADM - and a significant one. As you indicate, that is not exorbitant and I cannot argue that because it’s your opinion and you’re entitled to that. For you, that may well be true. to me, $10000 over is a bit on the steep side.
