The 2017 Eco-Boost vs V8 Bench Racing / Whining thread

[Truckzor]

The dry weight of the first generation ecoboost 3.5L is 449lbs. That includes turbos but not the IC or piping (which probably adds about 30-40lbs unless they make them out of lead). The 6.2L in the raptor weighs 580lbs (cast iron block).

Ford has stated (in the PR interviews that they have done which are posted on youtube) that the ecoboost 3.5 is lighter than the 6.2 and shorter which allowed them to put it further back in the truck and achieve a better weight distribution.

Note, this is not to say that I wouldn't like to see a 4.0-4.4L TTV8 in the future for Ford, but I'm not holding my breath.

So you don't actually know the real world weights, right? You've never actually seen an Apples to Apples wet comparison of the new engine vs the old? And even if you did, that didn't include the transmission, right? So, basically, you're just assuming that none of the 300 pound weight gain (based on the 800 pound lighter body they promised, that was later reduced to a 500 pound weight reduction in the Raptor) resulted from a less efficient drivetrain, right?

You're ASSuming an awful lot

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i thought the mustang forums got bad when the 350 was coming out...

 

[Ericgulf]

I have custom tunes from all of the major, reputable tuners. However, I prefer the MPT over the rest. morepowertuning.com

Canned tune is the tune that comes preloaded on the SCT tuning device. Custom tuning is a far more dialed in tune that maximizes the engine and transmission performance and efficiency.

Ok my bad. I'm short tempered at times I've heard. The livewire tuner and afe cai woke the ecoboost up perfect for me. I personally like the borla attack exhaust sound, and the turbo whistle. I don't need a drag race truck. I have a Ducati and 15 z06 if I really need to go fast.

 

[Dewserb]

Ok my bad. I'm short tempered at times I've heard. The livewire tuner and afe cai woke the ecoboost up perfect for me. I personally like the borla attack exhaust sound, and the turbo whistle. I don't need a drag race truck. I have a Ducati and 15 z06 if I really need to go fast.

No worries.

For what it's worth, the tune is responsible for all of your tangible performance gains there. Bupkis for gains with a CAI and cat-back. Off-road downpipes is another story.

 

[Truckzor]

This is clarification for TRUCKZOR…..

Yeah, unlike GEN1 owners I bought an IROC and later realized that it was not truly a performance car but rather a novelty car and got rid of it. (bought a 2000 vette)

Did you stop for a second to think that maybe your stupid analogy was just... stupid?

I never stated anything about how many Raptors were built, I stated “during its short time” meaning 2010 – 2014.

5 model years. Seems like a long time. And how many were built in that half decade?

I never stated that manufacturers were now building legitimate competitors for the GEN1, I stated “because of the GEN1 manufactures a building better off-road pick-ups” (like the TRD pro, Power Wagon, Colorado, etc.) I meant better than what they were building, not competitors to the GEN1.

They are selling marketing fluff. To date, there is no Raptor competitor, not even from Ford.

The Ford movie “Born in Baja” fails to mention that on that year a non raptor f150 won that class, Toyota Tundra came in second and Ford Raptor R came in third at 25:28:10. Also it was a Raptor (R) and it was modified by Ford Racing as stated below:
“This was very exciting for all involved,” said Jamie Allison, sales and marketing manager for Ford Racing. “Even with the extreme capability of the F-150 SVT Raptor right out of the box, we know our customers will want to take its performance to an even higher level. This race truck will be invaluable to Ford Racing as we examine what performance parts we’ll be able to offer customers for the production Raptor.”

And……at that same race a stock full class Hummer H3 won its class in 19:22:47 and an H2 in 24:50:06 (wow both faster than the Raptor R ) Guess that means that the Hummers are better than the Gen1s ?

Do you think Hummers are faster than Raptors? Do you really?

Are you breathing from your mouth right now?



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i thought the mustang forums got bad when the 350 was coming out...

Are you the guy that said the Gen 1 Raptor was going to have poor resale value because he bought a fake Boss 302 and it had absolutely terrible resale value?

If not, my mistake, I guess I just can't tell you illogical trolls with bad taste in vehicles apart

Especially since resale value shouldn't even be a consideration for an enthusiast. But hey, I guess you wouldn't know

 

[SJRaptorG2]

Did you stop for a second to think that maybe your stupid analogy was just... stupid?



5 model years. Seems like a long time. And how many were built in that half decade?





They are selling marketing fluff. To date, there is no Raptor competitor, not even from Ford.




Do you think Hummers are faster than Raptors? Do you really?

Are you breathing from your mouth right now?


Dude I’m gonna stop even acknowledging you. I see you constantly misquote posts. You must have a problem understanding what you read.
Now to clarify for the last time……You were the one who said to “google Born in Baja” in order to make a point. I just stated that same race shows stock Hummers and other pick-ups with better race times. No, I do not believe Hummers are faster than Raptors, I put that in as a question to you since you believe that the GEN1's claim to fame is this race.

 

[Truckzor]

No, I do not believe Hummers are faster than Raptors

Then what's your point?

Hey, btw, I know you got rid of your '86 IROC, but did you get rid of the gold neck chain and wife beater you used to wear while you drove it?



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I mean really. Now I've seen it all. Dude had an '86 IROC and thinks it makes his opinion about Raptors worth something. lol

Bizarro world. That's where you belong

 

[_M_]

Are you the guy that said the Gen 1 Raptor was going to have poor resale value because he bought a fake Boss 302 and it had absolutely terrible resale value?

If not, my mistake, I guess I just can't tell you illogical trolls with bad taste in vehicles apart

Especially since resale value shouldn't even be a consideration for an enthusiast. But hey, I guess you wouldn't know

Well I guess that would be pretty easy to figure out by looking up my post history, but I guess you're too busy trolling along and making sure you quote and respond to everyone's opinions and or facts to justify your investment. Hey man, we've all been there, it's ok. As long as it makes you happy that's what matters.

 

[Truckzor]

Well I guess that would be pretty easy to figure out by looking up my post history, but I guess you're too busy trolling along and making sure you quote and respond to everyone's opinions and or facts to justify your investment. Hey man, we've all been there, it's ok. As long as it makes you happy that's what matters.

Was that a yes or a no? We've had a lot of trolls with "350s" around here. Kind of hard to tell who is who sometimes, especially with all the name changes and new handles.

Nobody else posted any facts, by the way. The simple answer to my question: there IS one thing the V6 is better than the V8 at. Due to its short length, it's an efficient layout for putting a relatively large engine in front engine front drive passenger cars. Yep. Grocery getters

 

[ZaneMasterX]

Was that a yes or a no? We've had a lot of trolls with "350s" around here. Kind of hard to tell who is who sometimes, especially with all the name changes and new handles.

Nobody else posted any facts, by the way. The simple answer to my question: there IS one thing the V6 is better than the V8 at. Due to its short length, it's an efficient layout for putting a relatively large engine in front engine front drive passenger cars. Yep. Grocery getters

Ill take one Nissan GTR grocery getter please.

 

[_M_]

@Truckzor or is it tricksore

That's been my handle on almost every forum I belong to for at least 11 or 12 years. Look at my join date here, not my post count and you'll probably get your answer if you can do some simple deduction.

Seems like a few people have posted what is known and have posted several examples to questions you asked, you just don't like the answers.

Very few are arguing that they wouldn't want a V8TT over a V6TT, for those that are I'm sure they have their reasons and that should be good enough for anyone on here. But the argument is for what is known, and that is will the stock for stock V6TT be better than the existing 6.2L, the answer is yes.

And don't give me any "no one knows the specs" bs. Do you really think Ford is going to release something inferior to their previous model, especially since FP is involved now?

But hey, good luck with your build, it looks like it's going to be awesome when it's done and I am being sincere about that