The 2017 Eco-Boost vs V8 Bench Racing / Whining thread

[crash457]

Yes, they sure are two different engines. The argument was never that smaller displacement boosted engines couldn't make more power per liter. But so what? Is that efficient? What about physical engine size? What about engine weight? What about power per miles per gallon in the real world? Did you consider these measures of efficiency?

Is my suggestion really that asinine? How? What about an undersquare 4 liter ecoboost V8? Wouldn't that have MUCH more naturally aspirated torque? And need to rely less on boost? Could possibly have better real world fuel economy and more on boost power, IMO.

Considering the information currently available on the new EB, real world numbers are not available. It does on paper have better performance and MPG than the 6.2 the engine and will weigh less and yes that translates to more efficient. I can't compare it to a hypothetical 4.0 EB V8. But then neither can you.

Looks like you did manage to find a couple obscure examples. Congrats!

But Aston, Lambo, Mercedes, BMW, and Ferrari are all still producing V12s in their flagship models, aren't they?

Yes and everyone of them is looking for more efficient options like smaller displacement and hybrid technology.

 

[Ericgulf]

I have a 15 platinum 4x4 ecoboost. With afe cold air intake, livewire tuner, and borla attack catback exhaust. Level kit. 33x20 ko2's on fuel rims. Tuner stays on performance mode. Trucks amazing. I've owner several fords 4.6 and 5.0 with flows and cai. Also just sold new 14 tundra tss with flow master and cold air intakes. No other truck above would touch my ecoboost. I wouldn't trade my truck for anything other then new raptor I ordered last week. Can hear it and can talk on phone while doing 90 down highway. Sounds perfect not to loud or annoying. I'm not 16 anymore so I don't like setting car alarms off when I drive through parking lots. My Eco warms up in mins after starting. Runs like a beast in town or on highway. Can't wait to c what the gen2 will do.

 

[Truckzor]

Considering the information currently available on the new EB, real world numbers are not available. It does on paper have better performance and MPG than the 6.2 the engine and will weigh less and yes that translates to more efficient. I can't compare it to a hypothetical 4.0 EB V8. But then neither can you.

You keep wanting to argue a point I never made. A small displacement DOHC EB engine is definitely more efficient by YOUR DEFINITION than a SOHC NA 6.2. Show me where I said otherwise.

Then also show me how you know it weighs less. Including of course the turbos, extra plumbing, extra coolers, extra large heads, extra cams, and extra transmission gears. I'd love to see that.

Yes and everyone of them is looking for more efficient options like smaller displacement and hybrid technology.

But in the meantime they are still selling lots of those big, thirsty V12s, aren't they?



Btw, why are you editing your posts?



Btw, did you miss the part where I said we've been hearing this same nonsense for FORTY YEARS?

 

[Dewserb]

I have a 15 platinum 4x4 ecoboost. With afe cold air intake, livewire tuner, and borla attack catback exhaust. Level kit. 33x20 ko2's on fuel rims. Tuner stays on performance mode. Trucks amazing. I've owner several fords 4.6 and 5.0 with flows and cai. Also just sold new 14 tundra tss with flow master and cold air intakes. No other truck above would touch my ecoboost. I wouldn't trade my truck for anything other then new raptor I ordered last week. Can hear it and can talk on phone while doing 90 down highway. Sounds perfect not to loud or annoying. I'm not 16 anymore so I don't like setting car alarms off when I drive through parking lots. My Eco warms up in mins after starting. Runs like a beast in town or on highway. Can't wait to c what the gen2 will do.

If you think the canned tune is good, you should try a custom tune from a reputable tuner!

 

[Ericgulf]

If you think the canned tune is good, you should try a custom tune from a reputable tuner!

Not sure what "canned tune" means. My truck runs great. Who is your amazing "reputable tuner"? Funny how much people talk shit on here. And it's the same ****** that won't look you in the eyes in public.

 

[psufan]

You keep wanting to argue a point I never made. A small displacement DOHC EB engine is definitely more efficient by YOUR DEFINITION than a SOHC NA 6.2. Show me where I said otherwise.

Then also show me how you know it weighs less. Including of course the turbos, extra plumbing, extra coolers, extra large heads, extra cams, and extra transmission gears. I'd love to see that.

The dry weight of the first generation ecoboost 3.5L is 449lbs. That includes turbos but not the IC or piping (which probably adds about 30-40lbs unless they make them out of lead). The 6.2L in the raptor weighs 580lbs (cast iron block).

Ford has stated (in the PR interviews that they have done which are posted on youtube) that the ecoboost 3.5 is lighter than the 6.2 and shorter which allowed them to put it further back in the truck and achieve a better weight distribution.

Note, this is not to say that I wouldn't like to see a 4.0-4.4L TTV8 in the future for Ford, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Gilligan]

I think I have the HO engine in my new Navigator.

It's pretty lame.

 

[_M_]

i thought the mustang forums got bad when the 350 was coming out...

 

[SJRaptorG2]

This is clarification for TRUCKZOR…..

Yeah, unlike GEN1 owners I bought an IROC and later realized that it was not truly a performance car but rather a novelty car and got rid of it. (bought a 2000 vette)

I never stated anything about how many Raptors were built, I stated “during its short time” meaning 2010 – 2014.

I never stated that manufacturers were now building legitimate competitors for the GEN1, I stated “because of the GEN1 manufactures a building better off-road pick-ups” (like the TRD pro, Power Wagon, Colorado, etc.) I meant better than what they were building, not competitors to the GEN1.

The Ford movie “Born in Baja” fails to mention that on that year a non raptor f150 won that class, Toyota Tundra came in second and Ford Raptor R came in third at 25:28:10. Also it was a Raptor (R) and it was modified by Ford Racing as stated below:
“This was very exciting for all involved,” said Jamie Allison, sales and marketing manager for Ford Racing. “Even with the extreme capability of the F-150 SVT Raptor right out of the box, we know our customers will want to take its performance to an even higher level. This race truck will be invaluable to Ford Racing as we examine what performance parts we’ll be able to offer customers for the production Raptor.”

And……at that same race a stock full class Hummer H3 won its class in 19:22:47 and an H2 in 24:50:06 (wow both faster than the Raptor R ) Guess that means that the Hummers are better than the Gen1s ?

 

[Dewserb]

Not sure what "canned tune" means. My truck runs great. Who is your amazing "reputable tuner"? Funny how much people talk shit on here. And it's the same ****** that won't look you in the eyes in public.

I have custom tunes from all of the major, reputable tuners. However, I prefer the MPT over the rest. morepowertuning.com

Canned tune is the tune that comes preloaded on the SCT tuning device. Custom tuning is a far more dialed in tune that maximizes the engine and transmission performance and efficiency.

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Not sure what "canned tune" means. My truck runs great. Who is your amazing "reputable tuner"? Funny how much people talk shit on here. And it's the same ****** that won't look you in the eyes in public.

By the way, that's one brazen second post! Lol!