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You have done the KAM reset wrong.
Instructions here:

KAM Reset

Octane will NOT fix your problem.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Squatch, but in reading this, it seems that you can accomplish the same outcome by leaving the battery disconnected for a longer period of time. This appears to just accelerate the process of draining the capacitors.
 

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I've read this whole thread. Some people here are on the ball, some appear utterly brainless.

1. Ford Motor is a massive company with a staggering R&D budget. They have 100+ years of building vehicles. They have built turbocharged engines for decades.

2. The EcoBoost line of vehicles is their bread and butter, especially the trucks. But the EcoBoost engine is used throughout almost all of their vehicles. If there was any widespread problem releated to condensation that could be solved by adding a small hole, which would cost Ford nothing, they would do it.

3. A forced-aspiration engine (turbo) needs to be a closed system. If water can escape from a small hole, then how much easier can pressurized air escape? Drilling a hole could introduce debris to you engine and also reduce boost pressures.

4. Ford did not move the license plate on the 2015+ F-150 trucks to the center to help "protect" the intercooler. They did so to accommodate the location of the adaptive cruise control radar sensor.

5. The intercooler fans and grille shutters are not designed with the idea of controlling condensation in the intercooler. For one thing, only the Raptor EcoBoost engine has the supplemental cooling fans, and non-turbo F-150 trucks also have the grille shutters, such as the 5.0L. The intercooler fans on the Raptor are designed to lower the charged air temp further than what could be achieved on the other EcoBoost trucks, in order to give the Raptor additional performance. The grille shutters are designed ultimately to increase fuel economy and lower emissions. They close when the engine is cold to help the engine warm up faster. They open to allow more cooling as needed. When closed at highway speed, they likely also reduce air drag.

6. The octane level of the fuel you buy will not cause the engine to run poorly under any circumstance so long as the minimum octane Ford has published is adhered to: 87. As others have said, sophisticated engine controls will retard timing to control knock at full throttle or heavy load. You will not make 450HP running on 87. However, the engine will run completely smoothly at all RPM ranges and most users will never notice a difference. I'm running 87 in my 2018 Raptor...only 1500 miles...but it runs perfectly well. I've also towed 11,500lbs with it up a steep hill already, well over the max towing limit...while running 87...and the truck performed very well.

The OP with the problem originally reported sounds more like a transmission problem than anything else. In normal mode, the transmission is quick to upshift and reluctant to downshift. When moderate to heavy throttle is suddenly applied, the transmission can be quite jerky to downshift, and it can be delayed. Often what happens is the truck is rolling along in a very high gear when more throttle is suddenly called for. After a brief delay, the truck downshifts. Halfway through the shift, the user is impatient and depresses the throttle further. This causes the truck to downshift further...sometimes halfway through the first shift, which causes a jerking / bucking sensation. My conclusion is that the Raptor has more turbo lag than any other EcoBoost engine I've driven. In Sport mode, the transmission is much quicker to downshift, and to downshift to a lower gear. It also delays upshifting into the higher gears. Combine that with the fact that the electronic throttle pedal is "front-loaded" in Sport mode, meaning most of the throttle opening occurs during the first 50% of throttle travel. This makes the truck feel much more responsive.

A word on the truck adapting to a driver: the engine will adapt to different conditions it encounters - reduce timing if knock occurs, even operate on three cylinders if it has overheated. But it *will not* adapt to a driving style "learned" after a user drives the vehicle for a period. The transmission, however, will "learn" a slightly modified shifting schedule after a period of time. I find that it is important for the driver to be consistent. It does not take very long for the shifting schedule to be adapted and it constantly updates as the driver changes driving styles. Hence, important to be consistent.
 

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^^ Wow!!! ^^ you are misinformed on the ecoboost condensation problems.
Ford can't put a hole in the system because of EPA regulations.
Ford knew of the condensation issues and made TSB after TSB for it which included blocker plates and different tunes.
The active shutters ARE for the intercooler. They block air to make it less efficient and reduce opportunity for condensation to build. It seems to work for the most part.
 

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My 2018 does this with 600 miles on it. If kam reset means disconnecting my battery for 20 min I've done this. The truck still shutters and it's worse with the AC on. The dealer put 87 in mine, and now I'm on my first tank of 93. This sucks I really hope octane is the problem here. But I'm thinking if octane would affect these motors this bad, Ford wouldn't say in the manual that its ok to put 87 in them.

I too noticed that its way more noticeable when the AC is on.

As far as the transmission upshifting and downshifting that is not the case here. It will do it while I'm manually shifting the gears too. The bucking happens after the shift, so like in between shifts. Don't get me wrong I can still feel the transmission shifting but this is something different. The most noticeable times are between 30-70mph under 3/4 throttle after the initial downshift. It also seem isolated to the 3rd-7th gears but usually I'm already letting off the throttle by then. The slow/jerky upshift and down shift is a entirely different subject.
 

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^^ Wow!!! ^^ you are misinformed on the ecoboost condensation problems.
Ford can't put a hole in the system because of EPA regulations.
Ford knew of the condensation issues and made TSB after TSB for it which included blocker plates and different tunes.
The active shutters ARE for the intercooler. They block air to make it less efficient and reduce opportunity for condensation to build. It seems to work for the most part.

Why, exactly, would the EPA be upset if Ford put a hole in the intercooler? That's all clean air coming out of the cooler. Any EGR or PCV happens post-intercooler.

I'm well aware of the TSB on the early EcoBoost trucks. The actual number of affected trucks was very small. No formal recall was issued. If blocker plates were installed, your engine likely would not produce the advertised horsepower and torque. But the reason the license plate was moved was absolutely due to adaptive cruise, not to block the intercooler. Some states only require a rear plate, leaving the front exposed on those vehicles. If Ford truly needed to block the intercooler, they would have made the opening smaller or moved the intercooler. And the shutters? They debuted on a Focus. They appeared on the 2015 trucks. If the shutters were to prevent condensation, they would not be able to do their job when the shutters are open. The shutters are indeed for lowered emissions and improved mpg.
 

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Why, exactly, would the EPA be upset if Ford put a hole in the intercooler? That's all clean air coming out of the cooler. Any EGR or PCV happens post-intercooler.

I'm well aware of the TSB on the early EcoBoost trucks. The actual number of affected trucks was very small. No formal recall was issued. If blocker plates were installed, your engine likely would not produce the advertised horsepower and torque. But the reason the license plate was moved was absolutely due to adaptive cruise, not to block the intercooler. Some states only require a rear plate, leaving the front exposed on those vehicles. If Ford truly needed to block the intercooler, they would have made the opening smaller or moved the intercooler. And the shutters? They debuted on a Focus. They appeared on the 2015 trucks. If the shutters were to prevent condensation, they would not be able to do their job when the shutters are open. The shutters are indeed for lowered emissions and improved mpg.



Please don't feed the troll..
 

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tranmission is not the problem with mine. My shifts have been smooth in normal mode. The issue I have will happen leading up to a shift. it almost feels like your running out of gas. It’s not that extream but a similar senstation.
 

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Why, exactly, would the EPA be upset if Ford put a hole in the intercooler? That's all clean air coming out of the cooler. Any EGR or PCV happens post-intercooler.

I'm well aware of the TSB on the early EcoBoost trucks. The actual number of affected trucks was very small. No formal recall was issued. If blocker plates were installed, your engine likely would not produce the advertised horsepower and torque. But the reason the license plate was moved was absolutely due to adaptive cruise, not to block the intercooler. Some states only require a rear plate, leaving the front exposed on those vehicles. If Ford truly needed to block the intercooler, they would have made the opening smaller or moved the intercooler. And the shutters? They debuted on a Focus. They appeared on the 2015 trucks. If the shutters were to prevent condensation, they would not be able to do their job when the shutters are open. The shutters are indeed for lowered emissions and improved mpg.

The substance that comes out of the intercooler has oil in it. This is why the EPA frowned on it.

The ecoboost F150 has TWO sets of active shutters. Take a look at yours... they are in front of the intercooler to automatically manage air going to it.
 

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tranmission is not the problem with mine. My shifts have been smooth in normal mode. The issue I have will happen leading up to a shift. it almost feels like your running out of gas. It’s not that extream but a similar senstation.

To provide a smooth shift, transmission ECU's for the past 10-20 years have always given a command to the PCM to momentarily cut torque. You shouldn't notice it. I guess its possible you have some sort of engine issue, but you should be able to replicate the problem in neutral simply revving your engine.

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The substance that comes out of the intercooler has oil in it. This is why the EPA frowned on it.

The ecoboost F150 has TWO sets of active shutters. Take a look at yours... they are in front of the intercooler to automatically manage air going to it.

Look. The point of the shutters is to allow the engine to warm up quicker (which saves fuel and reduces emissions), but be able to open for max cooling when max cooling is needed. I'm aware there are shutters in front of the intercooler opening as well. Because leaving that big opening wide open would serve to allow a lot of air to come into the engine compartment and lower temps. So that's why they are there. Like I said...when the shutters are open...they would be completely ineffective at preventing condensation.

Here's a link to an article on the early EcoBoost condensation problem:
https://www.torquenews.com/106/feds-drop-ford-f150-ecoboost-investigation

The NHTSA registered a total of 525 complaints regarding misfires or reduced power in extremely wet and humid conditions. Of the trucks sold during the period, that amounted to 0.001% of all trucks sold. The NHTSA also determined that although there were misfires and power loss, the power loss was not significant enough to be a safety concern. They also found out Ford had programmed the ECM to accept condensation-related misfires without triggering the Check Engine light, which was appropriate.

So in other words, this is a non issue. If the shutters (while they are closed) somehow help prevent condensation from occurring in the intercooler...great. That would be a side benefit. But the point is that only a tiny percentage of trucks ever had this problem and Ford already foresaw (from testing) that the problem could occur and pre-programmed it into the ECU.
 

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The active shutters in front of the intercooler operate off of data collected for air condition, throttle, and some other things. That active shutter is specifically to protect the intercooler- nothing else.
You should go back and do research on all the issues surrounding this over the years. It was not a minor issue just affecting a few. You are nuts if you believe that! Follow a few ecoboost forums and you will see many that experienced it. Sure, Ford has done a ton of work to figure this problem out, but I still think they have more work to do.
 
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