The 2017 Eco-Boost vs V8 Bench Racing / Whining thread

[Dewserb]

This is ridiculous. I've never seen such ******-nozzlery and butt-hurtery over whose truck has more cylinders. It's asinine!

Until one has owned each platform in question, one really can't say that his is, unequivocally, "the best" and the other one "sucks". Having owned a 5.0, 6.2, and a previous generation Ecoboost, I can say that the Ecoboost is considerably better than the other two in every regard. Considering the Ecoboost platform in question here is likely to be a considerable step up from the previous generation, I can only imagine how much better it'll be than its cousins with two more cylinders.

I may be a n00b when it comes to a Raptor forum, but a n00b I ain't.

 

[Truckzor]

All performance vehicles are niche vehicles. You keep saying the V6 has alway sucked but every vehicle that has been mentioned was a force to contend with. I'm not downplaying V8s. They are great but that doesn't mean that the alternative is not a valid option. As far as discontinued models, many cars get discontinued even V8s. Look at the Lightning. Does that mean it wasn't good? No. Your argument is unfounded. You have not provided a single example of why the V6 sucks and V8s are irreplaceable. You need to understand that a good V6 is the future. V8s will still be around for a while. The Ecoboost helps improve the fleet numbers for CAFE standards. Without it performance engines, especially V8s would be gone forever.

The V6 sounds like shit, is poorly balanced and, more importantly, enthusiasts just don't like it. It's the kind of engine a Honda Civic guy gets excited about when he graduates to the Accord.

And there's nothing about a V6 that makes it more efficient than any of the other (better) engine layouts. So it's not the key to the future and the V8 is not on the way out.

That's the same shit we heard in the 70s, 80s and 90s... you guys never learn.

And you can argue that all performance vehicles are niche vehicles if you want but let's agree that V6 performance vehicles represent a tiny little slice of a niche market.

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Having owned a 5.0, 6.2, and a previous generation Ecoboost, I can say that the Ecoboost is considerably better than the other two in every regard.

Then why is Ford piping fake V8 engine sounds into the cabin?

 

[psufan]

Digging back a few decades for some more discontinued niche vehicles?

The GT got a V6 for Le Mans class rules.

Ford announced publicly very recently that they are in no way done with V8s in trucks or Mustangs. And there's probably never been more manufacturers producing V8s and up than there are today

Technology is great. But the V6 has always sucked.

Le Mans class rules don't limit the engine to a V6 or to 3.5L. Ford used the 3.5L Ecoboost for 1) marketing 2) development and 3) shared development costs. They could have went with the Voodoo if they had wanted to.

I have no doubt that ford isn't done with it's v8 program because there are still many potential buyers. With that being said, I'd buy a TTv6 mustang over a coyote powered one any day.

I'm not a V6 fan by any means (but I do like turbos). My current vehicles are a 2.0L turbo I4 and a 6.2L V8

 

[harrisb]

The V6 sounds like shit, is poorly balanced and, more importantly, enthusiasts just don't like it. It's the kind of engine a Honda Civic guy gets excited about when he graduates to the Accord.

And there's nothing about a V6 that makes it more efficient than any of the other (better) engine layouts. So it's not the key to the future and the V8 is not on the way out.

That's the same shit we heard in the 70s, 80s and 90s... you guys never learn.

And you can argue that all performance vehicles are niche vehicles if you want but let's agree that V6 performance vehicles represent a tiny little slice of a niche market.

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Then why is Ford piping fake V8 engine sounds into the cabin?

How do we know that this new engine will not be well balanced? The only thing it shares with the old ecoboost is displacement. They are pumping fake noise in a raptor? Hadn't seen that on the feature sheet yet.

V6 is better on fuel at things like idle, decel and probably a more efficient burn with the ecoboost too. It will be no better when you mash the fun peddle but that's the big reason, fuel efficiency

 

[Truckzor]

...and another side who's scared to death that their truck will be irrelevant in 2-3 months.

This is the kind of dumb newb stuff I'm talking about. The Raptor isn't a BMW 3 series that becomes irrelevant from one generation to the next.

A cool truck is always a cool truck. Here's a tiny list of the cool trucks I am currently keeping my eyes peeled for:

- 1977 Bronco
- 1977 K10
- 1978 Bronco
- 1993 Lightning
- 2003 S10 ZR2 (idea here would be a long travel truck with a built LS7)

I wish this conversation would just die already. I really want to go back to patiently waiting for them to put a real engine in the Gen 2.

You see, I can afford to be patient. I already drive a 700+ horsepower Raptor

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Le Mans class rules don't limit the engine to a V6 or to 3.5L. Ford used the 3.5L Ecoboost for 1) marketing 2) development and 3) shared development costs. They could have went with the Voodoo if they had wanted to.

I have no doubt that ford isn't done with it's v8 program because there are still many potential buyers. With that being said, I'd buy a TTv6 mustang over a coyote powered one any day.

I'm not a V6 fan by any means (but I do like turbos). My current vehicles are a 2.0L turbo I4 and a 6.2L V8

They went with the V6 ecoboost because it was the closest thing they had to being race ready and competitive in time for the anniversary running. And, yeah, for sure, marketing. It definitely takes a lot of hype to get people excited about a V6.

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How do we know that this new engine will not be well balanced? The only thing it shares with the old ecoboost is displacement. They are pumping fake noise in a raptor? Hadn't seen that on the feature sheet yet.

V6 is better on fuel at things like idle, decel and probably a more efficient burn with the ecoboost too. It will be no better when you mash the fun peddle but that's the big reason, fuel efficiency

Yeah the fake engine sounds aren't exactly the kind of thing you put on your "hero" card, are they?

Why do you think the V6 is better at idle? You are aware the new truck has auto start/stop, right? And why do you think it's more efficient when decelerating? And how much fuel are you burning when you're deceleration anyway?

And what's this more efficient burn crap? I think you're just making shit up.

 

[Dewserb]

The V6 sounds like shit....

You should've just ended your reply there. It would've saved you a lot of time spent typing the rest of what you wrote. In my case, I stopped reading your post there.

That's the crux of this whole misguided hatred towards the Ecoboost. Period. Beyond the subjectivity of sound, there's no tangible, logical evidence with which the V8 apologists can plead their cases.

Personally, I've enjoyed all of my Ford engines, regardless of the number of cylinders. I just happen to like the Ecoboost best of all because it has flawlessly performed all sorts of tasks with ease.

 

[_M_]

I love how the ones saying they wish the conversation would die are the exact ones continuing with rhetoric.

I dont know how many people who have ordered Gen 2's had Gen 1's like me, but as much as I loved my Gen 1 I knew it was time to sell it. I got almost what I paid for it. I really dont think that will be the case when the new ones come out.

Part of why Raptors have held their value so well is not just because it is a bad ass truck, but because there is still a huge market for them over in the UAE. Just check instagram and you'll see all those guys are gravitating towards Gen 2's. That means auction prices will start to drop because they want the new new. Big dealers here know if they dont sell it locally, they can drop it at auction or to a broker that will export over there. That will end when the 17 launches because they will be selling their new ones at a markup to those same brokers.

And Ford had other options for the GT ready to go. The V6 was a strategic decision and they have been kicking ass with it. Over 6000 "enthusiasts" applied to purchase one, maybe if it would have had a V8 it would've been 7000.

And shit, they are piping engine noises into my 350 too. Standard practice for most manufacturers these days...who cares, pull the fuse.

 

[Truckzor]

You should've just ended your reply there. It would've saved you a lot of time spent typing the rest of what you wrote. In my case, I stopped reading your post there.

That's the crux of this whole misguided hatred towards the Ecoboost. Period. Beyond the subjectivity of sound, there's no tangible, logical evidence with which the V8 apologists can plead their cases.

Personally, I've enjoyed all of my Ford engines, regardless of the number of cylinders. I just happen to like the Ecoboost best of all because it has flawlessly performed all sorts of tasks with ease.

And I'm still waiting to "hear" how a V6 is more efficient than a V8

 

[mahabali]

Hmmm....

My E46 M3 V6 sounds amazing and kicks ass... My wifes supercharged v6 in her SQ5 kicks ass... Guess these arent enthusiast vehicles because no one would ever put a V6 in one?

Please.....

That being said I do DD a 6.1 V8 Jeep SRT8.... I do love a V8 but will be getting rid of it for a 2017 Raptor.

I really dont get all the Gen2 hate... If you don't like it stop reading about it.

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And I'm still waiting to "hear" how a V6 is more efficient than a V8

Seriously go troll somewhere else.

 

[hkguns]

Here are the Raptor engine specs...

Got to love all the Gen 1 owner comments about the so called "NEWBs."

You idiots think you have a monopoly on automotive knowledge and experience since 2010?

Absolutely flipping hilarious!

Obama must have been giving away Gen 1 Raptors since 2010, because there is a very vocal minority of Gen 1 owners on here who don't come off as being intelligent enough to scrape together the scratch required to buy this vehicle.

OUT.