The 2017 Eco-Boost vs V8 Bench Racing / Whining thread

[20psirabbit]

It's funny when people don't understand bias. Your era is used to v8s so to some of you, it's the only thing that can be in a truck. By that same line of thinking, flathead v8s should be in your truck since only tradition has the best designs. Take some of those gears away, tradition doesn't give you 6 or 10 speed autos.

It's amazing how many people loved the first gen trucks but have no open mind to engineers, who in many cases get paid much more than the people complaining. All the v8 wishers wished it sounded different, I wish they'd give you a v8 option so you NA v8 foamers (lol) could get beat on by a TT-v6. Unfortunately, it made so little sense to engineers, they didn't even bother to include it this time around.

 

[RAPTERRIER]

Hey I'd rather it have a TT V8 too but this HO Ecoboost is way too good to pass up. This time around (if it even pans out this way) the 3.5 HO does not compare with the old 5.4 vs. 6.2. That 5.4 was a dog.

If Ford puts a TT 5.0 in a Gen 2.5 Raptor it'll be better than the 3.5 HO but the comparison would be nothing like the Gen I's. Not only that but a TT 5.0 powered Raptor may very well be in the $75K price range given how spendy these trucks are now.

 

[Lightman]

I'll take my stock 411 hp with a bad ass growl over 450 hp with a high pitch....for what I do with my SVT Raptor (which is just drive it), it's more than sufficient.

Excellent - so why are you trolling the 2017 forums?

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450 HP/500 TQ? And from a guy on the internet who knows a guy who works with the trucks? I've seen this movie before. I think I'll stick it out until Ford releases some literature.

Didn't your mama ever tell you that if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything? Way to be THAT GUY and post such a generic critical response..we've all seen that movie... As I said - take it for what it is or not - nobody's claiming these are official numbers, but that's what someone who's intimately involved in this specific raptor project told me...just trying to pass on the info to the group..don't shoot the messenger.

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Thats cool, hope youre right, any idea when itll be officially released?

No clue - that's all the info I got...he's not feeding me any more info as it goes unfortunately- I just asked him what the output was since he works at the plant where they're being produced, and he checked with Dearborn. I hope he's right too - those numbers would be great by me!

 

[SOAKINRED]

Not Sure?

I'll take my stock 411 hp with a bad ass growl over 450 hp with a high pitch....for what I do with my SVT Raptor (which is just drive it), it's more than sufficient.

I'm not sure what's going on here?

this is the GEN 2 Forum? and the GEN 1 guys have there own? Right!

I don't have a GEN 1 but I'm ordering a GEN 2 because they don't make GEN 1 trucks any more, I would love to have a V8 but GEN 2 is a TTV6, so that's what you have to buy! If the GEN 1 guys hate the GEN 2 why are they on the GEN 2 Forum? Please Stop Hating! Don't You See Your Tearing This Family Apart!

 

[Jack_Toepfer]

I get it, most people don't realize this, but the MPFI on the GEN2 will be the big deal here...

I've tried to avoid these threads, because it is full of speculation and bitching, but the reality is that FORD put a big bad band-aid on the GEN2 > AND TUNERS ARE GOING TO GO CRAZY OVER IT. We will actually start to see BIG POWER coming from the ECO...

I love the way my 6.2 makes noise... but I'd rather be MOVING than making noise anyday.

 

[kevin85]

I'm not sure what's going on here?

this is the GEN 2 Forum? and the GEN 1 guys have there own? Right!

I don't have a GEN 1 but I'm ordering a GEN 2 because they don't make GEN 1 trucks any more, I would love to have a V8 but GEN 2 is a TTV6, so that's what you have to buy! If the GEN 1 guys hate the GEN 2 why are they on the GEN 2 Forum? Please Stop Hating! Don't You See Your Tearing This Family Apart!

I can answer that question for you, I don't have a Gen1, I test drove a used one 2 weeks ago. Pretty sweet. I think most of those guys you are talking about go to the quicklink and they see the most recent posts, and they click on it to see what's up, some of them end up giving their opinion. I totally understand where they come from though. I have owned many cars that were replaced by newer generations, and I always try to look for flaws of the new generation so I can tell myself to keep my current one and not buy the new one. But it's only internet, talking shit is a part of it, especially on a car forum. People talk less shit when they see you in person (at least not directly toward you). LOL

 

[RaptorCoastie]

Didn't your mama ever tell you that if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything? Way to be THAT GUY and post such a generic critical response..we've all seen that movie... As I said - take it for what it is or not - nobody's claiming these are official numbers, but that's what someone who's intimately involved in this specific raptor project told me...just trying to pass on the info to the group..don't shoot the messenger.

Seems like you have pretty thin skin for someone on this forum. Understand that what you said is literally hear-say and not everyone needs to believe you or leave nice comments. Everyone on here has heard one thing or another from "someone close to the trucks" 1,000 times and until it comes on a piece of paper with Ford letterhead, it's not legit. Even if you believe it and it's from your "trusted" source. ****, you may even be right, but there's no point to give all these reasons why you believe your source to be legit and trustworthy, it's just not fact yet. Leave it as such and wait until it all comes from Mother Ford herself. I'm not "shooting the messenger" either. I left a mildly funny one-liner. Calm yourself.

 

[Truckzor]

It's funny when people don't understand bias.

Pot meet kettle?

 

[Lightman]

Seems like you have pretty thin skin for someone on this forum. Understand that what you said is literally hear-say and not everyone needs to believe you or leave nice comments. Everyone on here has heard one thing or another from "someone close to the trucks" 1,000 times and until it comes on a piece of paper with Ford letterhead, it's not legit. Even if you believe it and it's from your "trusted" source. ****, you may even be right, but there's no point to give all these reasons why you believe your source to be legit and trustworthy, it's just not fact yet. Leave it as such and wait until it all comes from Mother Ford herself. I'm not "shooting the messenger" either. I left a mildly funny one-liner. Calm yourself.

Nah I wasn't offended at all , just thought your comment was pointless. All good!

 

[Five-O Donut Hole]

Quote - "Excellent - so why are you trolling the 2017 forums?"


Excellent Newbie - I made a statement that I prefer my truck to something no one has yet purchased. I did not bash the Gen2 or say mine is better.....SIFO

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I'm not sure what's going on here?

this is the GEN 2 Forum? and the GEN 1 guys have there own? Right!

I don't have a GEN 1 but I'm ordering a GEN 2 because they don't make GEN 1 trucks any more, I would love to have a V8 but GEN 2 is a TTV6, so that's what you have to buy! If the GEN 1 guys hate the GEN 2 why are they on the GEN 2 Forum? Please Stop Hating! Don't You See Your Tearing This Family Apart!

Not sure...if you read my statement. I did not bash the Gen2 or say mine is better. This is the FRF which has several sections....SIFO.