Qtp cut out wired to up fitter switches

[f16YODA]

Are the upfitter switches always on or are they tied to the ignition switch. That could cause a problem. Would the system then close the cut-out when you turned the truck off even if the switch is on? And then auto-open it when you turned the truck back on?

Just some random thoughts.

 

[Aaron]

Upfitter switches are only powered when you turn the key to acc/on or start it up

I don't think you'd have an issue though, but I think you would need 12v straight off the battery for it to work like I'm about to describe.

Say you left the upfitter on because you had the cutout open while you were driving, and then turned the truck off like that. You're removing the trigger voltage, same as if you turned the switch off. So the cutout would close itself after the truck is turned off because your "closing" relay is waiting for a lack of trigger to activate.

So it'd just close up when the truck was turned off, and then when you turned the truck back on, you'd get the trigger voltage and your cutout would open right back up for you. It'd actually be pretty convenient!

That make sense?

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I'm researching parts right now and it looks like each of these relays is in the $60-80 range and you need two of them. Honestly a rocker switch is cheaper, but now I kind of want to build this just to get proof of concept.

Damn you bird for getting me thinking!

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Ok here are the parts I think would be necessary to make this happen:

This would be your relay for the "closing" circuit: Macromatic THR-12266-30 from Wholesale Electronics

And this would be for the "opening" circuit: Macromatic THR-11366-30 from Wholesale Electronics

They're both adjustable delay from 0.1 to 10 seconds, which is more than enough to run a cutout. I think I timed mine at 3 seconds from closed to open.

You're looking at $111.72+ shipping just to try this out. Not sure if it's worth it when a rocker switch is ~$3

 

[BIRDMAN]

You're on the right track but I don't think you need all that jazz. I think you just need a plain old 5 pin automotive relay and 2 time interval relays.


+12v constant
+12v switch
N.O.
N.C.

1. SWITCH OR TRUCK IS OFF - CUTOUT CLOSED. NC TERMINAL IS ENERGIZED, "NC" TIR ENERGIZED BUT TIME CYCLE IS COMPLETE AND AWAITING RESET.

NO --- TIR --- TO CUTOUT OPEN

NC --- TIR --- TO CUTOUT CLOSE

1. SWITCH IS ON - CUTOUT OPEN

NO --- CLOSES --- ENERGIZES TIR --- OPENS CUTOUT AND REMAINS ENERGIZED

NC --- OPENS --- RESETS TIR ---

SO, 2 OF THESE: e-Product Data Sheet

AND 1 5 pin relay.

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can someone make a wiring diagram of that? makes sense in my head but it's always to see it on paper. let's solve this mystery once and for all. if it's gonna work i will be the first to try it.

 

[The Car Stereo Company]

question..... what is powering the cut out? the relays will control when to open and close but you need some sort of actuator or servo to physically move the cut out. if i can get that info i should be able to put together a wiring how to

 

[imdubious]

Has anyone contacted QTP to see if they would be intrested in making a "raptor contol module" based on there keyless system. All it would take is one extra wire input and
following firmware logic 12v on input 1 = open, 0v on imput 1= close. all the other logic would be there. If nobody has called I will try.

 

[Aaron]

You're on the right track but I don't think you need all that jazz. I think you just need a plain old 5 pin automotive relay and 2 time interval relays.


+12v constant
+12v switch
N.O.
N.C.

1. SWITCH OR TRUCK IS OFF - CUTOUT CLOSED. NC TERMINAL IS ENERGIZED, "NC" TIR ENERGIZED BUT TIME CYCLE IS COMPLETE AND AWAITING RESET.

NO --- TIR --- TO CUTOUT OPEN

NC --- TIR --- TO CUTOUT CLOSE

1. SWITCH IS ON - CUTOUT OPEN

NO --- CLOSES --- ENERGIZES TIR --- OPENS CUTOUT AND REMAINS ENERGIZED

NC --- OPENS --- RESETS TIR ---

SO, 2 OF THESE: e-Product Data Sheet

AND 1 5 pin relay.

---------- Post added at 01:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:46 PM ----------

can someone make a wiring diagram of that? makes sense in my head but it's always to see it on paper. let's solve this mystery once and for all. if it's gonna work i will be the first to try it.

I just drew out yours on a piece of paper and we're both on exactly the same track with different parts from what I can tell. Hell you should build yours and I'll build mine and we'll compare notes on it.

There is another way to do this using chips and some logic gates so that might be a cheaper way to do it, but I'd have to look into it deeper and remember a lot of long forgotten info.

Here's the relays in your plan: Macromatic TR-60526 TIME DELAY RELAY from Wholesale Electronics

I'm working on some wiring diagrams and should have one of both of our circuits soon. I'll post them when I do.

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Has anyone contacted QTP to see if they would be intrested in making a "raptor contol module" based on there keyless system. All it would take is one extra wire input and
following firmware logic 12v on input 1 = open, 0v on imput 1= close. all the other logic would be there. If nobody has called I will try.

That's also worth looking into for sure.

 

[imdubious]

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That's also worth looking into for sure.[/QUOTE]

Ill try to call and see if there is any hope.

 

[BIRDMAN]

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question..... what is powering the cut out? the relays will control when to open and close but you need some sort of actuator or servo to physically move the cut out. if i can get that info i should be able to put together a wiring how to

the actuator is built in. when you energize the cutout, it opens and closes the butterfly valve. it's controlling that open/close action in a timed fashion with a SPST switch that's the problem. or should i say...was the problem

 

[Aaron]

Edit: eh...this program sucks. And honestly Bird covered it.

 

[The Car Stereo Company]

in the car audio industry we have a part that we use often that might help with your wiring. its made by PAC/Peripheral. its called a TR7 universal trigger module. it can be used to send multiple signals at different times or when triggered to remain on timed or constant. you might want to check it out. if any of you are interested i can break it down to more understandable terms. the instructions on programming are a bit confusing if you dont know what to do.