The 2017 Eco-Boost vs V8 Bench Racing / Whining thread

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and as disappointing as the Raptor news is, the GT getting a v6 is the biggest let down of all.

The most disappointing part is people not understanding why Ford put the 3.5 EB in the GT, and simply hating on it without knowing the back story. The GT is coming out for the 50th anniversary of the 1-2-3 win at LeMans. They want to compete again. The engine limit for the class the GT fits into limits the displacement size at I believe 4 liters for forced induction vehicles. So in order to be competitive, the 3.5 TT ecoboost was the ticket for the GT to go back out and compete to WIN. It wasn't a car built just to look cool and get a big giant high power motor to not fit into any classes to race.

A 3.5 EB equipped car just won the 24 hour Rolex race. They're on track for taking home some wins with the GT.

ford needs to take the technology they put in the ecoboost v6 and apply it to a brand new design v8 ditch the old 2v sohc dinosaur 6.2. but yes all things equal a v8 with the same technology as the v6 ecoboost would leave it in the dust unfortunately I don't believe ford has a v8 that utilizes direct injection and higher compression or do they??? I heard they are supposed ditch the 5.0 and 5.8 in favor of a 5.2??? I wonder if that has direct injection

I do agree with you there, and dig up some of my old posts it said the same thing, the 6.2 was outdated before it even came out. The odd bore spacing compared to every other Ford mod motor, the iron block, the 2v heads, etc. It would have been a KILLER HIGH TECH motor back in the early 2000's. It was a decade too late. It's not outdated per say, but it's not high tech by any means. It's essentially a larger version of the old 2v 5.4 from the early 2000's. Bigger bore, bigger bore spacing, same style iron block, same style 2v heads, just an extra plug per cylinder.

The 5.8 motor you mentioned was simply a bored out 5.4. Yes there's some other slight differences, but that's the platform it was built out of.

The 5.2 is a bored 5.0 with a flat plane crank. I think you'll only see the 5.2 stick to the GT350/GT350R since it's a high revving flat plane crank motor.

I do wish they'd dump some tech into a V8 and either make a cross plane crank 5.2 with forced induction, or come up with a new platform v8 engine. Unfortunately I don't think you'll see big displacement v8's anytime soon.

Plus think back to the late 90's at Ford when the 5.4 v8 mod motor replaced the 5.8 v8 pushrod motor, and the 4.6 v8 mod motor replaced the 5.0 v8 pushrod motor, and the 4.2 v6 mod motor replaced the 4.9 I6 pushrod motor. People were all upset Ford was going smaller, big displacement pushrod was gone, small displacement mod motors were in, the end of the performance era has hit. HA! Those "small" mod motors kicked those outdated pushrod motors butts. I think we're simply in that transition phase again. Smaller displacement ecoboost engiens are coming in to replace larger n/a mod motors. It'll take some transition time, just like in 97+ the early 5.4 and 4.6 weren't all that impressive, but a few years later the 5.4 Lightning, 4.6 Cobra, 5.4 GT500's were making silly power. Give this transition a few years, I think you'll see 3.5 EBs and eventually some v8 version of a engine in trucks making silly power that make the 6.2 seem like an outdated oversized ****.

The only way Ford is going to make all you guys happy is if they do not change a thing on Gen2 except for putting a superchargers on the old school 6.2L.

Humans are creatures of habit and fear change.

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 lol

If so, not sure why V6 in GT then.

Because LeMans! Educate yourself! lol :ROFLJest:
 

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I guess if you have a lot of money you can buy anything. BUT do you really want the Raptor to be in the 80K ... 90K range? I for one do NOT. I am sure Ford can produce a V8 supercharged/TT putting out 700+ HP if they wanted to but they would not have many customers. How many Hell Cats do you think Dodge sells?

Actually, yes I would like the Raptor to be $80-90k. Maybe an 'R'. I think Ford should build less of them, make them a little better, and charge more. I have more than that in my current Raptor and probably the one thing I like the least about the Raptor is how many others I see every single day. Majority of which you can tell have never seen dirt.
 

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Ive said it once Ill say it again, if Ford puts a v8 option opposed to the Ecoboost ttv6 they are admitting the EB is not the best option. Ford is all in with the EB and want their flagship model to have it under the hood because if they dont people will say "well obviously there is a better motor choice or they are not confident enough in the EB so they are offering a v8 instead".

They are saying the ecoboost is the best option for this application, simple as that.

Damn, they really ****** up with the GT350/R, didn't they? Now that they've admitted the EB isn't the best motor no one will ever buy a Ford again and they'll be out of business before the '17 Raptor even hits showroom floors.

Do I need to point out that have the logic of a 5-year old?
 

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Damn, they really ****** up with the GT350/R, didn't they? Now that they've admitted the EB isn't the best motor no one will ever buy a Ford again and they'll be out of business before the '17 Raptor even hits showroom floors.

The GT350/R is a high revving motor, exactly opposite of what you want/need in an everyday truck.

Ford is admitting the EB is the best motor for their TRUCKS and HD applications. They are admitting the high revving GT350/R motor is best suited for a street/track car.

Thats just my $.02.

Also no one will buy a Raptor if its $90k, well some will but not many. Ford is in the business of selling in volume, they are not Bugatti hints why they are trying to sell these trucks for a reasonable amount. Sure, why the hell doesnt Ford just make a 100% legit prerunner thats legal for the streets!?!?! Only $150k!! They will sell a handful if that. Thats not what Ford does, sorry.
 
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The GT350/R is a high revving motor, exactly opposite of what you want/need in an everyday truck.

Ford is admitting the EB is the best motor for their TRUCKS and HD applications. They are admitting the high revving GT350/R motor is best suited for a street/track car.

Thats just my $.02.

Also no one will buy a Raptor if its $90k, well some will but not many. Ford is in the business of selling in volume, they are not Bugatti hints why they are trying to sell these trucks for a reasonable amount. Sure, why the hell doesnt Ford just make a 100% legit prerunner thats legal for the streets!?!?! Only $150k!! They will sell a handful if that. Thats not what Ford does, sorry.

This has nothing to do with your original logic.

And your second point argues directly against the GT. Both the price/volume and the high revving V8 being the best track car.
 

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Damn, they really ****** up with the GT350/R, didn't they? Now that they've admitted the EB isn't the best motor no one will ever buy a Ford again and they'll be out of business before the '17 Raptor even hits showroom floors.

Do I need to point out that have the logic of a 5-year old?

This has nothing to do with your original logic.

And your second point argues directly against the GT. Both the price/volume and the high revving V8 being the best track car.

Reptar gives the exact reason why the GT exists. Please see his comment higher up so you can learn something. The GT does not exist to be cost effective and be sold in mass, it exists so Ford can race, its very simple.
 

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Sorry justvettn,s statement about GM motors got my blue blood going. Ford is going all out with new performance models this we know, and through an inside source I was told that their is a group of 5.0 liter turbo Raptors in testing. Raptor R perhaps, that's what I'm looking for. Source was right about the new Ford GT so lets hope this pans out as well. I was told about the flat plane crank motor for the Shelby being developed on the dyno a year before it was announced so my resolve is good. Now its up to the fellas at Ford to give us a second performance motor option to choose from. like a F150 or Mustang.

Just talking to my sales lady about this today and they've heard the same thing. If the 3.5L Eco is going to be at least 450hp what would a 5.0L Eco produce? 550-600hp? Very curious as to when we might hear a little about this officially? Any guesses on whether it would be a 2017 or more like a 2018? @Cj428
 

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Just talking to my sales lady about this today and they've heard the same thing. If the 3.5L Eco is going to be at least 450hp what would a 5.0L Eco produce? 550-600hp? Very curious as to when we might hear a little about this officially? Any guesses on whether it would be a 2017 or more like a 2018? @Cj428

I wonder what the cost would be?
 
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