The 2017 Eco-Boost vs V8 Bench Racing / Whining thread

[SilverBolt]

And, a lot more abuse. Comparing trophy trucks to a street truck just doesn't work.

And now, doesn't ford send coolant through the turbos? I seem to remember a video where they said they do.

A modern car manufacturer wouldn't sell a turbocharged engine if it is subject to catching on fire from being run hard.

The turbos are water and oil cooled.

 

[DrippinRaptor]

You sound surprised that some people prefer performance over sound.

Surprised at the ignorant statements and generalizations so many noobs are making.

 

[EricM]

Anyone who thinks a turbo engine will be as reliable as a N/A engine, has clearly never owned a turbo engine long term. The seals will fail on the turbo. They all fail. In this case, there are two to replace. Jen 2s can pretty much count on a $1500 bill to replace the turbos at some point. Double that if you are paying someone else to do the work.

Let's not even go into what to does to the life of the cooling system, exhaust system EGR system, PCV system, and the intake system. All of the extra heat and pressure is not good for those systems.

Just a basic example... If you were an intake manifold gasket, would you rather live your life in an engine where the manifold is either just sitting on the top of the engine or is being sucked down tight to the engine with vacuum, or would you rather be on an engine where the manifold quickly and frequently goes back and forth from being sucked down onto the heads to being pushed off of the heads by boost pressure?

I'm guessing this intake is plastic too? Uggh. Vacuum, pressure, vacuum, pressure- repeat 100,000 times at super hot and freezing cold temps and see if that plastic holds up. Probably does fine in the accelerated test Ford uses, probably not as robust in the real world.

 

[SJRaptorG2]

Surprised at the ignorant statements and generalizations so many noobs are making.

Just echoing official statements made by Ford Performance and Ford personnel involved with the building, testing, manufacturing and selling of 2017 Raptors. If the ignorant Ford statements really bother you then you should contact Ford and tell them that.

BTW………There is some speculation from all sides, but it’s all in fun. No need to suggest people are ignorant. In about six months we should all have the trucks we want and put this noob, gen1 & gen2 thing to rest (hopefully). Then we can join forces and discuss things like how to make our truck better than what Ford sold us.

Until then, let’s just have fun with the back and forth.

 

[DrippinRaptor]

Just echoing official statements made by Ford Performance and Ford personnel involved with the building, testing, manufacturing and selling of 2017 Raptors. If the ignorant Ford statements really bother you then you should contact Ford and tell them that.

Official statements from Ford don't bother me. What bothers me is the noobs coming in here acting like the Gen 2 is god's gift and the Gen 1 sucks. Their **** poor attitude is the problem.

 

[crash457]

Official statements from Ford don't bother me. What bothers me is the noobs coming in here acting like the Gen 2 is god's gift and the Gen 1 sucks. Their **** poor attitude is the problem.

Seems like your attitude is no prize either.

I love the Gen1. It is still a great truck. I also love what the Gen2 brings to the table. That is why I ordered one.

Getting pissy and generalizing "noobs" only makes it worse. All I ever see here is people beating there chest and ranting about how "mine is better and yours sucks." You sir, are just as guilty.

 

[FordFanStan]

1. If your worry is producing heat in the engine from the turbos, the same can be said for any forced induction or naturally aspirated application that does not have a properly designed cooling system, and it clearly is not specific to only turbos, only offroad.
2. As previously mentioned, these are water and oil cooled.
3. Has anyone heard of any Ecoboosts having to have their turbo seals replaced? This is a legitimate question, I haven't heard of this on the pickups yet.

And I'm no newb I've had my Gen1 since before majority of people here probably in mid 2010.

 

[NASSTY]

Surprised at the ignorant statements and generalizations so many noobs are making.

All I said was I preferred turbocharged over n/a. Not sure why that got your shorts in a bunch?

Official statements from Ford don't bother me. What bothers me is the noobs coming in here acting like the Gen 2 is god's gift and the Gen 1 sucks. Their **** poor attitude is the problem.

I didn't say anything negative about the Gen1.

 

[SilverBolt]

Anyone who thinks a turbo engine will be as reliable as a N/A engine, has clearly never owned a turbo engine long term. The seals will fail on the turbo. They all fail. In this case, there are two to replace. Jen 2s can pretty much count on a $1500 bill to replace the turbos at some point. Double that if you are paying someone else to do the work.

Let's not even go into what to does to the life of the cooling system, exhaust system EGR system, PCV system, and the intake system. All of the extra heat and pressure is not good for those systems.

Just a basic example... If you were an intake manifold gasket, would you rather live your life in an engine where the manifold is either just sitting on the top of the engine or is being sucked down tight to the engine with vacuum, or would you rather be on an engine where the manifold quickly and frequently goes back and forth from being sucked down onto the heads to being pushed off of the heads by boost pressure?

I'm guessing this intake is plastic too? Uggh. Vacuum, pressure, vacuum, pressure- repeat 100,000 times at super hot and freezing cold temps and see if that plastic holds up. Probably does fine in the accelerated test Ford uses, probably not as robust in the real world.

Some of this might be true if you added boost to an engine not designed for it. When the entire drivetrain is engineered for boost it's a safe bet the engineers take in account boost/vacuum.

 

[_M_]

Official statements from Ford don't bother me. What bothers me is the noobs coming in here acting like the Gen 2 is god's gift and the Gen 1 sucks. Their **** poor attitude is the problem.

Just as many saying the Gen 1 is superior without any knowledge of the specifics with Gen 2. Oh wait, I'm sorry, Jen 2's. Or you prefer Jennifer 2s?

There are folks on both sides that are guilty. And it will be that way even after the truck is released and we have some actually evidence versus anecdotal.

It's all good in the neighborhood. I love my Gen 1 and I'll bet that I will love my Gen 2.