How many more yrs do we have of the Ford Raptor?

[BalorGrayJax]

No. Batteries are not solid state devices. Batteries produce electricity via chemical reactions. The only theoretical way that I know of to make a 200KWH battery the size of a laptop battery is to go nuclear. Inside that battery. My guess is that's more than a few years off, but I could be wrong. Want to make a friendly bet on it?

A friendly wager for something that's not theoretical and eventually going to be the norm? No. Lol there's no reason to make a 5 yr bet on a guarantee.. I don't have a crystal ball for the final 4 but solid state is the future regardless of what anyone wants to believe in the short term. Period.

 

[Winchester30]

How would one plan a 7 day overland trip in an EV?
As mentioned earlier, what about the historical California blackouts? East coast blackouts?
Thunderstorms and/ or tornadoes knock out the power and now the EV does not have a full charge? Hurricanes wipe out large sections of the grid?
We don’t have the infrastructure for this and we will ravage the existing environment to get us there.

 

[GordoJay]

A friendly wager for something that's not theoretical and eventually going to be the norm? No. Lol there's no reason to make a 5 yr bet on a guarantee...

I know. I was hoping for easy money. I have a background that includes solid state physics. I can tell that you do not. Be like taking candy from a baby.

 

[BoostCreep]

I, for one, cannot wait for a full EV Raptor. I love my Gen 2 but I'd trade it in a heartbeat for a Lightning Raptor!

I couldn’t possibly disagree with you more or feel more opposite from you, but I respect your opinion just as I do anyone else’s.

Can you please explain why you are so excited for an EV Raptor? I’m not asking to be condescending at all, just want to understand an opposing viewpoint.

 

[melvimbe]

But it is possible, the batteries do exist and even manufacturers (bmw comes to mind) have suggested we are 4 yrs out and they want to bring a vehicle to market or at least a prototype in 2025.

I'm strictly talking about EVs here.. but the batteries already exist, now it's about putting the tech into our cars safely as one of the big pro about going this route is that there is *less* risk of fire to begin with.

Please provide a link to where these massively powerful but small batteries exist. I would love to learn more about them.

edit: Seriously. Assuming the tech does exist, I really want to know about it as that would be game changer, and completely change my POV on EVs.

 

[melvimbe]

Regarding home charging: This is something the government can really influence: tax credits for solar installations and influence/legislation allowing easier (and cheaper installation), and preventing power companies from setting restrictive mandates on such installations/connections.

Solar isn't the answer for generating enough power to support home charging of EVs. Besides greatly increasing the cost of ownership of an EV, the sun doesn't always shine. Really, home solar power, and home energy storage, is separate issue. It's related, but separate.

And that's another issue, the assumption that everyone has a house with a garage they can plug their EVs into. Not an option for apartment/townhomes or homes that have more vehicles that can fit in, or even near, the garage. I mean, haven't to move cars around so that you're teenagers can get out to work/school is one thing, haven't to do that so that all the vehicles have enough charge is just....crappy. Unless you're going to have several 220V cables laying all over your driveway and front lawn.

 

[Yoshi]

Solar isn't the answer for generating enough power to support home charging of EVs. Besides greatly increasing the cost of ownership of an EV, the sun doesn't always shine. Really, home solar power, and home energy storage, is separate issue. It's related, but separate.

And that's another issue, the assumption that everyone has a house with a garage they can plug their EVs into. Not an option for apartment/townhomes or homes that have more vehicles that can fit in, or even near, the garage. I mean, haven't to move cars around so that you're teenagers can get out to work/school is one thing, haven't to do that so that all the vehicles have enough charge is just....crappy. Unless you're going to have several 220V cables laying all over your driveway and front lawn.

Politicians know there is no infrastructure to support EV demand. Maybe they don't want you exercising your free will and moving freely about the planet.

 

[BalorGrayJax]

I know. I was hoping for easy money. I have a background that includes solid state physics. I can tell that you do not. Be like taking candy from a baby.

I'm sure Google will do you better, to not waste time - here is a fun link.. I didn't even realize Ford was a part of this venture with BMW. What luck.. guess I should have made that wager for the easy money on my end, cuz I can tell you do not have a background in solid state physics. Wikipedia will help ya out, ever heard of it?

BMW to get solid-state battery test cells in early 2022 from Solid Power

BMW joined forces with Ford and announced a massive investment in Solid Power, a company specialized in making solid-state batteries for EVs.

www.bmwblog.com

 

[melvimbe]

I don't see anything that points to " but eventually with solid state you'll have a battery with the power of a 200kwh hummer ev in the size and weight of a laptop battery". Looked around elsewhere and didn't see anything. I do see the reduction in size/weight with solid state, but it doesn't look we are anywhere near doing this in a costly manner.

I will say that if we do ever get to that point, and it's affordable, it will be a tremendous game changer well beyond EVs. Such storage capacity would not only change energy storage but rethink how energy generation and distribution is done. Why worry about distribution costs and generating to meet current demand when you can store in batteries that can be sent to homes and keep them electrified for months at a time.

 

[BalorGrayJax]

I don't see anything that points to " but eventually with solid state you'll have a battery with the power of a 200kwh hummer ev in the size and weight of a laptop battery". Looked around elsewhere and didn't see anything. I do see the reduction in size/weight with solid state, but it doesn't look we are anywhere near doing this in a costly manner.

I will say that if we do ever get to that point, and it's affordable, it will be a tremendous game changer well beyond EVs. Such storage capacity would not only change energy storage but rethink how energy generation and distribution is done. Why worry about distribution costs and generating to meet current demand when you can store in batteries that can be sent to homes and keep them electrified for months at a time.

Everyone is so fixated on cost, maybe skipping some posts but at the end of the day. No one in this space gives 2 Fs about cost. Ya gotta realize this first.

I'll say it again.. the rich(or wealthy) will be the early adopters and we need those people to ensure mass adoption can ever become reasonable. It doesn’t need to be affordable. If there weren't guys like me around to spend 6 figures on a start up electric car company in 2011 with way cheaper money there wouldn't be the more affordable present day models from said company to begin with. In fact, we wouldn't even be talking about the electrification of vehicles beyond the jest that Ford and the rest of the automotive industry have been toying with for decades.

Just to let you know.. LG is making a 97" OLED G2 television.. preorder will be about $28k. I bet it will be sold out. I'm just giving perspective to people and how they value tech, in this space the vehicle is almost no longer a car - its tech. And its exciting.

I'll buy it.. and hopefully that will pave the way for you by 2035