How many more yrs do we have of the Ford Raptor?

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melvimbe

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Yea, but eventually with solid state you'll have a battery with the power of a 200kwh hummer ev in the size and weight of a laptop battery. So power to weight is going to be insane in the future.. that's obviously not now.. but it's coming.

Why? It's not known to be physically possible right now, so why would you assume that a scientific discovery is going to make that happen. It's not a matter of effort or desire, or even the money and infrastructure needed for it, but whether or not such a thing is actually possible.
 

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Yea, but eventually with solid state you'll have a battery with the power of a 200kwh hummer ev in the size and weight of a laptop battery. So power to weight is going to be insane in the future.. that's obviously not now.. but it's coming.
I’ll admit I am not a battery expert, but I do know that things that sound too good to be true usually are.

With that technology you speak of, what are the associated negatives?
 

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The right does the same thing to the left. They go about it in strikingly similar ways but again the right tends to argue from fact or fact based positions (whether those facts are true or not) where the left tends to make emotional pleas and shrill cries.
It works. Look at Virginia. That political pendulum is swinging, but not as far as the right wants people to think.

Eh. Not sure I can agree with this. If you mean politicians, yes, but I don't think that necessarily translates to the right as a whole. And it sounds like you're specifically talking about CRT in Virgina. I can see an argument that it's an over reaction, but why is it even there to begin with in small amounts? What else is going on that we don't see? Not sure that's the best example.

True, and I agree they should not be a lynch pin or primary part. Honestly, I don’t know if that’s even something we should have, but rather electric vehicle power could be a part of a plan to develop, roll out and make work, along with fuel cell tech, and whatever else we can come up with. Electric seems closer, but I could go with CNG, I’m not really partial to how I propel the vehicle, I’m more concerned with being able to propel it quickly ;-)

I want options. Let people pick the right vehicle for their needs, without government overlords, or the masses who know nothing about your needs or desires, decide for you.

We part ways here.
I am not sharing my ride with anyone. Proud to be HOV negative. And you (the general you) won’t mandate me doing it.
I don’t want tiny, Fiat Punto-esque shoe boxes to drive either.
Also, I’d counter that if you (again the general you) can afford to give tax breaks, credits of discounts for “favored” people, instead, you should just lower the rate for every person.

I like public transportation on a theoretical level, but I absolutely get why it has many faults on a practical level. When I could commute to work by bus, I did. As it stands now, I carpool whenever possible. It saves a little money and cuts down on the boredom of the daily commute. Not everyday though, and not for everyone.

Regarding tax, the government has long been in the business of effecting behavior via tax policy. Perhaps that shouldn't be the case, but as long as we have tax that isn't directly tied to service provided, government tax is going to influence behavior. So all I'm saying is that if the government was really concerned about climate change, than you would see more incentives for reducing energy usage instead of being selective about energy sources.
 

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Why? It's not known to be physically possible right now, so why would you assume that a scientific discovery is going to make that happen. It's not a matter of effort or desire, or even the money and infrastructure needed for it, but whether or not such a thing is actually possible.
But it is possible, the batteries do exist and even manufacturers (bmw comes to mind) have suggested we are 4 yrs out and they want to bring a vehicle to market or at least a prototype in 2025.

I'm strictly talking about EVs here.. but the batteries already exist, now it's about putting the tech into our cars safely as one of the big pro about going this route is that there is *less* risk of fire to begin with.
 

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I’ll admit I am not a battery expert, but I do know that things that sound too good to be true usually are.

With that technology you speak of, what are the associated negatives?

I'd imagine the biggest con being the manufacturing process. Industrial standard of lithium ion batteries will proceed for the foreseeable future and using solid state will likely require huge investments into changing already hundreds of millions into investments for lithium. Ultimately.. con will be cost to us. I can't see many more disadvantages at all.
 

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As many years as you want one. Ever hear of a pre-owned vehicle? Keep yours in good shape.
 

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I'd imagine the biggest con being the manufacturing process. Industrial standard of lithium ion batteries will proceed for the foreseeable future and using solid state will likely require huge investments into changing already hundreds of millions into investments for lithium. Ultimately.. con will be cost to us. I can't see many more disadvantages at all.
You are forgetting the means to charge and electrical impedance. current electrical infrastructure is massively under equipped and will be for at least the next 10-15 years. So as far as everyone on the block owning and charging ev at their home while running a/c in the summer and all the other appliances is not happening any time soon if ever.
This is why hybrids are suddenly popular again which is 2005 tech reborn. So basically at the end of the day we are destine to burn petroleum or hydrocarbon to produce the means of electrical energy to charge these batteries. Windmills are stupid, intermittant and destroy themselves after 8-10 years and require burning tens of thousands cf of carbon fuel to produce to which is barely re-couped. Lithium ore requires massive amounts of water to refine which competes with agriculture.
 
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You are forgetting the means to charge and electrical impedance. current electrical infrastructure is massively under equipped and will be for at least the next 10-15 years. So as far as everyone on the block owning and charging ev at their home while running a/c in the summer and all the other appliances is not happening any time soon if ever.

Not lost on me. Ev adaption is for the rich, plain and simple. We need the rich to adapt and allow the demand to trickle down as infrastructure is built out. This is in part why I think its massively hilarious to cut out credits and rebates based on income.

I'll buy whatever TF I need to to make it work. Period. I'll just leave it at that.
 
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Until our PowerGrid, charging rate and EV range is significantly improved I don't think gassers are going away anytime soon. We don't have enough lithium and cobalt, we don't mine it in the US. I don't think the rest of the country would tolerate California style rolling blackouts caused by dysfunctional energy policies
 

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Yea, but eventually with solid state you'll have a battery with the power of a 200kwh hummer ev in the size and weight of a laptop battery. So power to weight is going to be insane in the future.. that's obviously not now.. but it's coming.
No. Batteries are not solid state devices. Batteries produce electricity via chemical reactions. The only theoretical way that I know of to make a 200KWH battery the size of a laptop battery is to go nuclear. Inside that battery. My guess is that's more than a few years off, but I could be wrong. Want to make a friendly bet on it?
 
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