GEN 2 First oil change

[halogrinder]

lol so you are saying the more love we give the truck or any other car the better chance it has at many years and miles of service? i know there are "hangover builds" and other issues. but i like to feel like i give my truck and car the good stuff, and they give me good reliability. i gave had one vehicle on a tow truck since 2010. that was when my 05 fl150 blew a plug so i may be doing something right. lol

typically the more maintenance and care = longevity.

The problem with an individual is you have such a small scope of vehicle issues vs. a shop, it cannot be even compared.

I had issues with my '15 2500 ram cummins. 50+ days in the shop, 13 visits and lots of issues. I can't judge my own truck over the entire cummins/ram truck production, as my sample issue is so small vs. the amount out there.

A shop is where you see trends from failures and what actually happens in the real world.

So, consider yourself lucky, not doing something right.

 

[dlbb]

typically the more maintenance and care = longevity.

The problem with an individual is you have such a small scope of vehicle issues vs. a shop, it cannot be even compared.

I had issues with my '15 2500 ram cummins. 50+ days in the shop, 13 visits and lots of issues. I can't judge my own truck over the entire cummins/ram truck production, as my sample issue is so small vs. the amount out there.

A shop is where you see trends from failures and what actually happens in the real world.

So, consider yourself lucky, not doing something right.

lol i agree luck has a lil to do with it. but just cause i don't own/work at a shop doesn't mean i have a small scope. i like to consider myself an educated owner. 7 of my 9 ford truck were well maintained and went past 250k with no issues. #8 was traded early for #9 lol. got an acura that has only had upgrades as things wore out at 189k right now also. no engine or tranny work other then maintenance. yes that is small compared to a shop but 30+ cars owned and only one rebuilt motor and tranny. the acrua will be the second one when it finally needs it. most the time the interest in the cars was gone before it needed major work, but all were well maintained.

 

[jaz13]

:rubs temples:

What I'm saying is, engineers make mistakes. They aren't perfect. If they were and designed things perfectly, nothing would ever break, right?

Manufacturers who pay for maintenance sometimes side with economics vs. what the vehicle needs and how long the warranty is. If you can't comprehend that, then I guess you'll never get what I'm saying.

This is a car that followed (loosely) followed manufacturer guidelines.
And this is typically what we see when we pull engines apart for sludge/failures.


And, another picture of an owner's engine that changed it at 1/2 the value (7500 miles) and has more miles.

You can be the judge. It's your truck not mine.

I believe the owner of your sludge-fest followed the manufacturer's maintenance guidelines as much as I believe my 3 year old when he says "I didn't do it". That owner definitely wasn't an innocent victim of an engineer's flawed recommendation.

Ford engineers are not idiots and they wouldn't reccomend 10k miles between oil changes if that is what every F-150 engine looked like at 100k miles.

Most likely your view of the industry is skewed because you only work on abused and broken cars and don't get a chance to see the vast majority of trouble-free cars that follow the manufacturer guidelines.

 

[halogrinder]

Believe what you want. Do what you want. Its like talking to a wall sometimes on forums.

 

[jaz13]

Believe what you want. Do what you want. Its like talking to a wall sometimes on forums.

Funny, I know exactly how you feel.

 

[Jayrod]

So what oil brand and type are you guys using?

 

[BurnOut]

So what oil brand and type are you guys using?

Motorcraft 5W-30 semi-synthetic. I'll probably go to Motorcraft full synthetic at the next oil change.

 

[crash457]

:rubs temples:

What I'm saying is, engineers make mistakes. They aren't perfect. If they were and designed things perfectly, nothing would ever break, right?

Manufacturers who pay for maintenance sometimes side with economics vs. what the vehicle needs and how long the warranty is. If you can't comprehend that, then I guess you'll never get what I'm saying.

This is a car that followed (loosely) followed manufacturer guidelines.
And this is typically what we see when we pull engines apart for sludge/failures.


And, another picture of an owner's engine that changed it at 1/2 the value (7500 miles) and has more miles.

You can be the judge. It's your truck not mine.

I'm sorry but there is no way that that is the result of following the manufacturer guidelines.

That is the result of either oil never or hardly ever changed or a mechanical failure (i.e. head gasket allowing water in oil). Either way, your analogy is ********. If you really believe that is what happens when you follow the manufacturer maintenance guidelines, you either stupid or really ****** mechanic. I'm going to guess both. Stop trying to use BS to push your oil change interval agenda. You obviously think your smarter than the engineers but have yet to provide any validation to that. Yes, most engineers feel like they are infallible. Mostly because math and science is on their side and they usually are right. Let me see the engine you designed. That's what I thought...

 

[halogrinder]

lol. Headgaskets don't make black sludge, they make milkshakes.
This engine has 15K oil services. That's what BMW says. And yes, this is what happens. Don't believe me, we only touch about 1800 cars a year. We build 10-20 engines a year, too.

BMW says to never change the transmission fluid, yet ZF (same trans Ford uses) says to change it at 60K. Who are you to believe?
I relate these to the BMW's I work on daily.
You can talk some mad shit behind a keyboard, too. Props!
The 200+ oil analysis's we have on file furthermore backs up what I say, but I forgot your 4-6 cars over the last 10 years means more.

Here's an engine we modify and build in house, due to (gasp!) engineer's mistakes. It holds a few world records because of our modifications.


Again, listen to the factory if you feel it's worth what you think it is.
Or, you can maintain it "better" by doing maintenance more frequently.
Cheap insurance *shrugs*

 

[dlbb]

So what oil brand and type are you guys using?

i just changed to motorcraft full synthetic. seams to be getting better mpg so far too. up from 14.4 to 15.2. the mpg gain could be from it getting broke in better too. i know my 14 got about 2mpg better after about 20k miles and held at about 16.5 avg

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lol. Headgaskets don't make black sludge, they make milkshakes.
This engine has 15K oil services. That's what BMW says. And yes, this is what happens. Don't believe me, we only touch about 1800 cars a year. We build 10-20 engines a year, too.

BMW says to never change the transmission fluid, yet ZF (same trans Ford uses) says to change it at 60K. Who are you to believe?
I relate these to the BMW's I work on daily.
You can talk some mad shit behind a keyboard, too. Props!
The 200+ oil analysis's we have on file furthermore backs up what I say, but I forgot your 4-6 cars over the last 10 years means more.

Here's an engine we modify and build in house, due to (gasp!) engineer's mistakes. It holds a few world records because of our modifications.


Again, listen to the factory if you feel it's worth what you think it is.
Or, you can maintain it "better" by doing maintenance more frequently.
Cheap insurance *shrugs*

don't know why but you are starting to seam like a sasquatch to me..... if not then no insult intended.