Wait list & MSRP issue

[armyturtle]

"Does this dealer just not know what they're talking about or am I missing something?"

I've called no less than 30 dealers across the continent (US). I'm on a list at each of them. I'm keeping a spreadsheet of the dealers, locations, phone numbers, who I've talked to at each, and the last time I spoke with them.

I can tell you definitively that the dealer you spoke to is either one of two things:
1. ******* clueless about the fact that ANY PERSON wanting to order and pay for a 2017 raptor will be able to walk into ANY dealership and do so. Gen 2 raptors are being made to demand. At worst, you'll need to wait 8-12 weeks for delivery.
2. He/she is playing you to bait you into being one of the first few schmucks who insist on "getting it before anyone else."

The dealer allocation is between 1-2 raptors per dealership FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISPLAYING AND ATTRACTING INTEREST. These 1-2 per dealership will be able to be bought by eager customers who want to TAKE ONE "NOW" without waiting. It's these ones that you'll likely pay through the nose for. Instead, you can opt to place an order for one and wait for delivery - they must comply. If they are quoting you ANYTHING over MSRP tell them to **** OFF and go elsewhere. There are LITERALLY THOUSANDS of dealerships in the US. Hopping a flight to any one of them will most certainly cost you less than being an idiot who pays over MSRP. Think a dealership in the middle of Montana/Wyoming/Louisiana/etc. won't happily take your business for a 2017 Raptor at MSRP exactly???

BTW - I've had the same told to me on some dealers here in the San Francisco bay area. Again - I'll gladly pay for a one way flight to anywhere else, buy, and happily drive it home. It'll get me lots of time to truly "enjoy" the newness of it - hell, I'll even get to test out that Baja mode on some terrain between home and wherever - so my local dealerships can **** off. I'll waive at them as I drive by with my new truck (probably not with ALL of my fingers though). >

 

[acg90]

Yeah, I think it's a combination of both. The spreadsheet is a good idea. Here's our latest email exchange for some giggles:

Me: From what i've been reading, the dealer allocation is what the dealer is guaranteed to receive to put on their showroom floors and that dealers will still be able to place individual orders separate from the allocation with a customer name attached to the order. I've also read from Ford that it is not going to be a limited production and every order will be filled. Is that correct?

Them: That's not what I'm hearing right now, and historically Ford has always limited production on their specialty vehicles. That's part of what makes them special. They will probably accept orders beyond allocation, but they won't guarantee the build outside of allocation. The safe play is to build and reserve one of our allocated units. I'll update you as info becomes available. Thanks!

Yup, I think i'm going to have to tell my local dealer to **** off as well.

 

[SilverBolt]

For you all insisting on contacting dealer for a vehicle they likely know nothing about, here is a tip. Either deal with the internet sales department or in person with the fleet sales department. Internet will usually net the best deal followed by fleet. That said you are setting yourselves up to be butt *****. You are inquiring about a vehicle that does not yet exist. That tells them you want it bad. If you "have" to have it ASAP be prepared to walk funny for a long time. The smart buyer will wait until they hit the streets, make a deal online, go in and order the truck. They will likely want $500-$1000 deposit and in 12 weeks you will have exactly what you want and save several thousand dollars. FYI the "waiting list" is nothing but a marketing tool used to get your information. As soon as a truck hits the lot they will call everyone on the list and anyone they know. First one in with the $$ gets the truck. No particular order. They make calls until it's gone. Contacting every dealer in the country will not get you any closer to getting one sooner or cheaper. My $.02

 

[supernootz]

I've got to get on the horn this week and get on this myself.

I have a good connection through a friend with the owner of a somewhat local dealership. I'd like to think he's going to shoot me straight.

I'll let you know what I find out.

 

[dataustin]

Some dealers just do that. My local dealer tried to charge me 68k on a new 2014 801A SCAB because the truck would soon be discontinued for a few years. Did some research and got it for 47k out the door and they delivered it from NorCal to Nevada. The local Dodge dealer here charged 30k over MSRP for Hellcat's when they first came out.

That is incredible!!!!

 

[RAPTORSV]

Yeah, I think it's a combination of both. The spreadsheet is a good idea. Here's our latest email exchange for some giggles:

Me: From what i've been reading, the dealer allocation is what the dealer is guaranteed to receive to put on their showroom floors and that dealers will still be able to place individual orders separate from the allocation with a customer name attached to the order. I've also read from Ford that it is not going to be a limited production and every order will be filled. Is that correct?

Them: That's not what I'm hearing right now, and historically Ford has always limited production on their specialty vehicles. That's part of what makes them special. They will probably accept orders beyond allocation, but they won't guarantee the build outside of allocation. The safe play is to build and reserve one of our allocated units. I'll update you as info becomes available. Thanks!

Yup, I think i'm going to have to tell my local dealer to **** off as well.

There is no reason to get upset with your dealer. Sounds to me they are being honest with you. Ford will build a set number of Raptors, each dealer has a set amount of allocations. The fact is, it's going to be difficult to get this truck the first year for msrp or less. There are just too many buyers out there for whom price is no object for the first year.

 

[acg90]

There is no reason to get upset with your dealer. Sounds to me they are being honest with you. Ford will build a set number of Raptors, each dealer has a set amount of allocations. The fact is, it's going to be difficult to get this truck the first year for msrp or less. There are just too many buyers out there for whom price is no object for the first year.

I think they were being honest about their 2 allocations but beyond that I don't think they know what they're talking about. I don't think the person I was talking too knows the difference between their allocations and customer orders. Everywhere that i've read has been saying that Ford will build every order placed. I think it's ridiculous to pay over msrp, some people are willing too but I'd rather wait and find a dealer willing to work with me. To do that will take a bit of time and effort. Not upset, just narrowing down the playing field.

 

[DrippinRaptor]

Hopefully the demand is less the first year since they are only making SCABs. I currently have a SCAB and would like another.

What is funny will be the people who don't want a SCAB but 'must' have the first model year. So they buy it anyway only to sell/trade the following year. Nothing like burning money.

 

[Craigy]

There is no reason to get upset with your dealer. Sounds to me they are being honest with you. Ford will build a set number of Raptors, each dealer has a set amount of allocations. The fact is, it's going to be difficult to get this truck the first year for msrp or less. There are just too many buyers out there for whom price is no object for the first year.

The Ford Raptor is not a limited production vehicle. It is not limited to 500 or 1,000 or even 10,000 units. How many they make will be determined by how many orders they get combined with Ford's production capability. They're not going to flood the market with thousands of unwanted Raptors like they do for the regular F150 inventory, but the Raptor is not a vehicle where dealers are restricted to "two each" or anything like that.

Hopefully the demand is less the first year since they are only making SCABs. I currently have a SCAB and would like another.

What is funny will be the people who don't want a SCAB but 'must' have the first model year. So they buy it anyway only to sell/trade the following year. Nothing like burning money.

2017 Raptor is available in supercrew. Your intel is wrong.

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"Does this dealer just not know what they're talking about or am I missing something?"

I can tell you definitively that the dealer you spoke to is either one of two things:
1. ******* clueless
2. playing you
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So much this.

"The guy at the dealer told me" is completely devoid of meaning or merit.

The average salesman that answers the phone or greets you on the lot at your Ford dealership is a clueless ******** who doesn't know anything about the product, let alone something that isn't even on their lots yet. Most of these guys simply don't possess the mental capacity to handle a question like this. Not being mean, it's just the truth.

The stars might align and you very well might luck into an experienced salesman who is a Ford Raptor enthusiast, but even in that rare likelihood, chances are he's going to spot you for a rich sucker who is willing to pay an extra $5k or $10k to be the first ******* on the block with a new Raptor.

Even after Raptors have been out for a couple years, on lots everywhere and available for order below MSRP or invoice, there will still be salesman out there who will tell you with a straight face, either lying through their teeth or from simply being born a moron, "oh we sold out last Raptor a few months ago, and the Raptor has been discontinued, but I can make you a great deal on a Platinum F150...

Again, the average salesman, on up to the 90% best salesman, is not going to give a shit about future product or even special order product, and only gives a shit about selling you a truck on the lot today.

 

[ZaneMasterX]

The Ford Raptor is not a limited production vehicle. It is not limited to 500 or 1,000 or even 10,000 units. How many they make will be determined by how many orders they get combined with Ford's production capability. They're not going to flood the market with thousands of unwanted Raptors like they do for the regular F150 inventory, but the Raptor is not a vehicle where dealers are restricted to "two each" or anything like that.



2017 Raptor is available in supercrew. Your intel is wrong.

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So much this.

"The guy at the dealer told me" is completely devoid of meaning or merit.

The average salesman that answers the phone or greets you on the lot at your Ford dealership is a clueless ******** who doesn't know anything about the product, let alone something that isn't even on their lots yet. Most of these guys simply don't possess the mental capacity to handle a question like this. Not being mean, it's just the truth.

The stars might align and you very well might luck into an experienced salesman who is a Ford Raptor enthusiast, but even in that rare likelihood, chances are he's going to spot you for a rich sucker who is willing to pay an extra $5k or $10k to be the first ******* on the block with a new Raptor.

Even after Raptors have been out for a couple years, on lots everywhere and available for order below MSRP or invoice, there will still be salesman out there who will tell you with a straight face, either lying through their teeth or from simply being born a moron, "oh we sold out last Raptor a few months ago, and the Raptor has been discontinued, but I can make you a great deal on a Platinum F150...

Again, the average salesman, on up to the 90% best salesman, is not going to give a shit about future product or even special order product, and only gives a shit about selling you a truck on the lot today.

You are 100% correct, there is so much misinformation around here its crazy.

Ford will make as many Raptors they need to meet demand, confirmed by Ford. If you want one you will get one, simple as that.

SCREW and SCAB are both available at launch.

Dealer allocation has nothing to do with who can and cannot get a Raptor. Dealers can order as many as they want as long as the order has a drivers license attached to it (customer order).