The 2017 Eco-Boost vs V8 Bench Racing / Whining thread

[Raptor911]

Where did you get the number below from?

the 3.5L EB in the 2015 F-150 produces:

365HP @ 5000 rpm
420lb-.ft @ 2500 rpm

so at least we know the Raptor 3.5L EB will be much higher.

Ecoboost:
Torque 460lb-.ft @ 2500rpm
HP 380 @ 5250rpm

 

[Chris's FX4]

The 380hp and 460ft/lbs is what the current Ecoboost in the 2015 Lincoln Navigator makes.

 

[Raptor911]

ah .. Thank you!

So my wish/hope for the 2017 Raptor to get 450HP & 500ft/lbs is not too far off

The 380hp and 460ft/lbs is what the current Ecoboost in the 2015 Lincoln Navigator makes.

 

[Hazzard]

The 3.5l ecoboost in my ol ladies explorer sport is awesome, and that's where it should stay! Personally I feel there should be a V8 option.

 

[richwoodrocket]

Pretty sure there is gonna be a v8 at a later time like the raptor originally had a 5.4 then later a 6.2...


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[Raptor911]

fyi ... the 5.4 was placed in the Raptor as the 6.2 was not yet ready when the 2010 was released. So it was not by design.

I think Ford will never put the V8 back into the Raptor as they have invested too heavily into the EB technology. The ONLY way I see a V8 ever in future Raptors if Ford releases a limited edition Raptor (like 1000 prod numbers) and charge customers 80K. And if this happens it would be 5.0L v8 TT ... so it would satisfy the V8 crowd but also tout their EB technology.

Pretty sure there is gonna be a v8 at a later time like the raptor originally had a 5.4 then later a 6.2...


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[richwoodrocket]

fyi ... the 5.4 was placed in the Raptor as the 6.2 was not yet ready when the 2010 was released. So it was not by design.



I think Ford will never put the V8 back into the Raptor as they have invested too heavily into the EB technology. The ONLY way I see a V8 ever in future Raptors if Ford releases a limited edition Raptor (like 1000 prod numbers) and charge customers 80K. And if this happens it would be 5.0L v8 TT ... so it would satisfy the V8 crowd but also tout their EB technology.

Maybe they're working on something better than a v8?


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[PropDr]

I think everyone forgets this is a NEW 3.5L ecoboost and not the current Ecoboost. But for a current comparison (the new ecoboost will be even better) lets see how the 3.5L ecoboost compares to the 6.2L.

Ecoboost:
Torque 460lb-.ft @ 2500rpm
HP 380 @ 5250rpm

6.2L:
Torque 435lb-.ft @ 4500rpm
HP 411 @ 5500rpm

So you get more torque at a hell of a lot lower rpm. What is there to hate about that? The new motor will be even better than current numbers so thats something to be happy about.

I get it though, the ecoboost doesnt sound manly so you lose your man card. Im married and comfortable with my sexuality so I have nothing to prove. Sign me up for the new Raptor.

This EB numbers are BS in the real world.
You can use numbers from a test bench that lets the rpm build slowly and allows the turbo charger to catch up and build the pressure to develop the torque and HP.
With a NA or SC engine there is a direct relation between rpm and power, no matter how quickly the rpm rise.

 

[ZaneMasterX]

This EB numbers are BS in the real world.
You can use numbers from a test bench that lets the rpm build slowly and allows the turbo charger to catch up and build the pressure to develop the torque and HP.
With a NA or SC engine there is a direct relation between rpm and power, no matter how quickly the rpm rise.

To an extent, yes. If you throw a huge turbo on a tiny motor youre not going to see any low end torque and youll have a bunch of lag before any power rolls on. The reason the EB is twin turbo is so the turbos can be a lot smaller which allows them to spool much faster. Low end torque with turbos is not a new concept and nothing out of the ordinary, they have been doing it on diesels for decades.

 

[pirate air]

This EB numbers are BS in the real world.
You can use numbers from a test bench that lets the rpm build slowly and allows the turbo charger to catch up and build the pressure to develop the torque and HP.
With a NA or SC engine there is a direct relation between rpm and power, no matter how quickly the rpm rise.

Seriously?? There are hundreds of 3.5s that have been dyno'd by third parties that back up the claim of peak torque around 2500rpm. Lol at slow rate of rpm to let the turbo catch up.