GEN 2 Temporary Raptor Replacement - What would you do?

[FordTechOne]

I would say Focus RS but better check it had the head gasket done already. Seemed to be a big problem.
I second Explorer ST or Edge ST. Lots of fun and all wheel drive.

Or you could find a SRT Jeep Grand Cherokee that would be sporty.

The head gasket issue only affected the earlier models, and all affected vehicles were recalled to have the head gasket replaced. A CarFax or OASIS report will verify whether the vehicle was recalled and if it was repaired.

 

[FordTechOne]

I have to disagree with you on depreciation, completely false.

What, that they don't depreciate? At the dealer we used to get owners coming into the sales department acting like their Mexican built rust bucket was worth it's weight in gold and should be worth a fortune. Dealers go by Black Book, not Blue Book. It's a common myth that there is a huge discrepancy between competitive vehicle resale values, it's simply not true unless you're talking Nissan/Kia/Hyundai, which are the exception. Maybe the private sector is different in terms of resale, but as the saying goes, there's a sucker born every minute.

As far as the vehicles that hold their value the best, Raptor and Wrangler are competitive at the top of the list.

*EDIT* - Just saw you're in CA, I understand where you're coming from. No rust issues and plenty of mouth breathing toyota loyalists.

 

[Johnkn]

2020/2021 Explorer ST.

My daughter just purchased a new loaded Explorer ST last week. Very nice, and it comes with the Ford Performance Driving Experiance like the Raptors. I was a bit worried about the ride with the 21” black wheels and tires, and also about the high performance brake upgrade, but it rides very well and is a great performer for a SUV. I like the way the side mirrors shine ST down on the road in red on both sides. ;^)

 

[Braaaaptor]

I think it might be a regional thing where Tacos hold their value. Like FTO said, a sucker is born a minute and something is only worth what someone will pay for it.

I previously leased a truck almost exactly like this one, sticker was 36k for a 2017 **** Sport (lol). This one has 25k miles and somehow has lost no value. Kind of mind blowing especially when you consider what you actually get for the price (C frame, gutless motor, lazy tranny, awkward ergonomics, tech from 2008).

 

[Droid]

What, that they don't depreciate? At the dealer we used to get owners coming into the sales department acting like their Mexican built rust bucket was worth it's weight in gold and should be worth a fortune. Dealers go by Black Book, not Blue Book. It's a common myth that there is a huge discrepancy between competitive vehicle resale values, it's simply not true unless you're talking Nissan/Kia/Hyundai, which are the exception. Maybe the private sector is different in terms of resale, but as the saying goes, there's a sucker born every minute.

As far as the vehicles that hold their value the best, Raptor and Wrangler are competitive at the top of the list.

*EDIT* - Just saw you're in CA, I understand where you're coming from. No rust issues and plenty of mouth breathing toyota loyalists.

Here's a nationwide search for 2016-2020 (3rd gen) 4WD Tacos w/ TRD Offroad Package:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for...er=false&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&numRecords=25

Cheapest is $26K on a truck that is $33K new. The $26K one has 200K miles on it.

Under 75k miles is more like $30K. Again, for a truck that is $33-40K new, that you can find in a nationwide search today for $35K and get new car financing on. And plenty of dealers will go below MSRP on them, even in California (e.g.: https://www.freeman-toyota.com/inventory/new-toyotas/trucks/ )

The lack of deprecation on this is bat-shit-crazy in my opinion...I can't understand why anyone would ever buy a used one at that price vs a new one.

And trading a Toyota at a Ford dealer or a Ford at a Toyota dealer is a really bad idea in my opinion, and the numbers they quote on non-store-brand vehicles will be way under the market, because they're probably heading for auction. Sell outright or take it to carmax if you're changing brands.

 

[FordTechOne]

I think it might be a regional thing where Tacos hold their value. Like FTO said, a sucker is born a minute and something is only worth what someone will pay for it.

I previously leased a truck almost exactly like this one, sticker was 36k for a 2017 **** Sport (lol). This one has 25k miles and somehow has lost no value. Kind of mind blowing especially when you consider what you actually get for the price (C frame, gutless motor, lazy tranny, awkward ergonomics, tech from 2008).

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Agreed, it's frankly amazing. It's quite a phenomenon, and certainly a special kind of stupid. Why would someone pay the same or more for a used vehicle than a mainstream new one that is mass produced and readily available, let alone produced cheaply in Mexico? Are they really that stupid?

Used Raptors are going for purchase price because it's a limited production niche performance vehicle and new ones are now going for MSRP or above, not because consumers prefer to buy a used vehicle for more than a new one. It's all supply/demand/availability.

The most comical thing is the idiots paying 10K markups on the Taco **** pRos, you really have to be a complete moron to pay $60,000 for a Tacoma with upgraded shocks.

 

[FordTechOne]

Here's a nationwide search for 2016-2020 (3rd gen) 4WD Tacos w/ TRD Offroad Package:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/awd-4wd/toyota/tacoma/new-waterford-oh-44445?dma=&searchRadius=0&startYear=2016&trimCodeList=TACOMA|TRD Off-Road&bodyStyleSubtypeCodes=FULLSIZE_CREW+COMPACT_CREW&isNewSearch=false&marketExtension=include&showAccelerateBanner=false&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&numRecords=25

Cheapest is $26K on a truck that is $33K new. The $26K one has 200K miles on it.

Under 75k miles is more like $30K. Again, for a truck that is $33-40K new, that you can find in a nationwide search today for $35K and get new car financing on. And plenty of dealers will go below MSRP on them, even in California (e.g.: https://www.freeman-toyota.com/inventory/new-toyotas/trucks/ )

The lack of deprecation on this is bat-shit-crazy in my opinion...I can't understand why anyone would ever buy a used one at that price vs a new one.

And trading a Toyota at a Ford dealer or a Ford at a Toyota dealer is a really bad idea in my opinion, and the numbers they quote on non-store-brand vehicles will be way under the market, because they're probably heading for auction. Sell outright or take it to carmax if you're changing brands.

The "****" gen, as it's come to be known, not only switched to the gutless Sienna minivan Atkinson-cycle V6, but has had extensive transmission related TSBs and failures, significant build quality issues, recalls for rear axles that leak fluid and lock up, and of course the notorious Toyota frame rot. It really speaks to the demographic and warped mindset of people that are, evidently, willing to exhorbitant high prices for an inferior pile of junk.

 

[Badgertits]

Subaru sti
Audi S4 or RS4 or S6
BMW X3 m40i (seriously- check specs)
Ford Explorer w/ the big ecoboost

 

[kpecks]

100 series land cruiser or Lexus lx470

 

[jeanco]

https://www.boston.com/cars/car-reviews/2018/12/17/2019-toyota-prius-review
Toyota calls the all-wheel drive system AWD