GEN 2 Off-roading your Gen 2: Driving Modes, Handling Characteristics, and more

[smurfslayer]

the forged wheels are beadlock --capable--. the rings on there now are beauty rings, you need to purchase actual bead lock rings and have them and the tires mounted to facilitate off road tire pressure that low. FWIW, I’ve run 20-22 with no problem in sand. Others can comment on how far you can go on the stock rims. There are some aftermarket rims that have a better bead grip, and don’t require rings. not as effective as bead locks, but better than normal.

 

[rtmozingo]

One question about 4H. Does it have speed limit? I went through owner's manual and didn't find anything. But I remember for Jeep, you should not switch to 4H with >45mph(or 55mph), and should not drive higher than that.

Another question about air down. What is the safe psi for the stock beadlock wheel? Quote for owner's manual:
"If your vehicle is equipped with the optional bead lock compatible wheel, you have the ability to convert this wheel to use a true bead-lock ring, which allows operation at low tire pressures when offroad to minimize risk of de-beading the tire."
It seems to me that we can not go too low(5psi?) with stock truck which have optional beadlock wheel.

Thanks.

No limit on 4H. Well, speed limiter I guess.

As for stock beadlock - well, it isn't a beadlock, it is "beadlock capable". IE it is functionally the same as my non-beadlock wheel. I've heard more than a few people debead in the 20psi range...but personally, I ran 18psi going sideways a lot and didn't rip a bead, even had a flat for 5 miles and still didn't rip it off. You increase the risk of debeading the lower psi you go, and how aggressive you are driving also factors in. 8 psi in sand with granny driving is probably fine, but slipping and sliding may rip the bead at 15 psi in the same conditions.

 

[FordPerf Addict]

Truck can go any speed with 4H. Baja mode is technically 4H


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[Steve Arm]

No limit on 4H. Well, speed limiter I guess.

As for stock beadlock - well, it isn't a beadlock, it is "beadlock capable". IE it is functionally the same as my non-beadlock wheel. I've heard more than a few people debead in the 20psi range...but personally, I ran 18psi going sideways a lot and didn't rip a bead, even had a flat for 5 miles and still didn't rip it off. You increase the risk of debeading the lower psi you go, and how aggressive you are driving also factors in. 8 psi in sand with granny driving is probably fine, but slipping and sliding may rip the bead at 15 psi in the same conditions.

Thanks for the explaining!

 

[hedonist222]

Thread is a great conversation starter.

For any technical driving, I have to be in manual.

Cannot tolerate unanticipated gear shifts.
That's why I bought, among other reasons, a Yamaha YXZ 1000r over the rzr.

 

[MDJAK]

the forged wheels are beadlock --capable--. the rings on there now are beauty rings, you need to purchase actual bead lock rings and have them and the tires mounted to facilitate off road tire pressure that low. FWIW, I’ve run 20-22 with no problem in sand. Others can comment on how far you can go on the stock rims. There are some aftermarket rims that have a better bead grip, and don’t require rings. not as effective as bead locks, but better than normal.

And why then, as I’ve read, and I know you can’t believe everything you read, are true beadlocks illegal on road?

 

[zombiekiller]

And why then, as I’ve read, and I know you can’t believe everything you read, are true beadlocks illegal on road?

ford sells the rings that convert the wheels into legitimate beadlocks as "offroad use only" .

Going to the end of that " are beadlocks legal on-road" conversation is a black hole.

Legal or not, having to retorque all of those bolts, every 500 miles , is a point of maintenance that I have ZERO appetite for.

There are a few companies that make DOT approved beadlocks. None make them in a raptor-compatible bolt pattern, offset and hub bore. The DOT beadlock designs look a lot more like an RC car beadlock, as opposed to a traditional racing beadlock and they are HEAVY.

 

[smurfslayer]

@MDJAK
I’ve read conflicting info on whether bead lock wheels / tires are illegal. I know there is a state that does single them out.

http://www.liftlaws.com/are_beadlocks_street_legal.htm

Truck Beadlock Wheels - What They Are and Why You ...tundraheadquarters.com › truck-beadlock-wheels-why-and-what

There are some beadlock wheels that are not DOT certified. Are they safe? that depends on how well you install them and maintain them from what I see.

the “illegal” comment seems to come from the number of the wheels that aren’t DOT certified, which can be a thing. Each state has a set of comically hard to understand laws relating to vehicles and some specifically aimed at certain types. DOT certification is most prominently applied to motorcycle riders with the obligatory ‘cover the head barely’ helmet that doesn’t provide any sort of impact protection at all, and riders who buy DOT stickers to affix to them. A lot of states have generic laws allowing for the enforcement of overarching safety laws that encompass non DOT equipment.

Technically, if suspected of non DOT equipment, you can have the vehicle towed and impounded, the only real deterrent is that speeding tickets are more ‘sexy’ to most PD management than impounding a 4x4 with suspected non DOT wheels.

 

[Bad V2]

Most quality beadlock wheel companies do not require constant re-torquing of the bolts. Actually, they recommend to NOT touch them after proper torque installation. I personally off road with a lot of Raptors and Dodge diesel trucks with beadlocks and none have ever had a problem with bolts loosening or being questioned by the law. That said, I personally don’t run beadlocks because I don’t want to deal with removing/installing my own big ass tires.


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[hedonist222]

Most quality beadlock wheel companies do not require constant re-torquing of the bolts. Actually, they recommend to NOT touch them after proper torque installation. I personally off road with a lot of Raptors and Dodge diesel trucks with beadlocks and none have ever had a problem with bolts loosening or being questioned by the law. That said, I personally don’t run beadlocks because I don’t want to deal with removing/installing my own big ass tires.


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Curious to learn how not needing to re-torque is a function of good design.