Houston we have a problem! (the bent frame thread)

[Highroller]

Good god man,

Wasn't it you that had an in car camera video of your truck showing 90mph on the speedo and then saying to your buddy "look, we caught that guy already"? You were driving fast, its ok, we've all done it. I Know, I know, Ford did this very same thing in marketing the truck so it must be their fault for not holding our F%#@ing hands while driving in the dirt and telling me what the limit of my truck is. Lets not forget the Titanic was the unsinkable ship as claimed by White Star ship lines.

Clearly you guys drove fast enough, long enough and hard enough to bend the rear of your frames, this is irrefutable because your frames are bent. Most everyone on here but a select few seems to understand this, and accept this. Countless members have driven there trucks hard as hell without these issues, and if they have had the bent frame problem, they sure as hell have been quiet about it.

The only real problem I see it that you took your truck on a an almost 400mile round trip excursion in the dirt at good pre-running speeds and have acted as if your dumb-founded as to why something like this would happen. When you offroad, shit breaks. This is nothing new. Many of us are very familiar with the terrain you guys were on, and it doesn't take Bad Companies amazing grasp of mathmatics to understand you can only drill your bumps stops so many times before something is going to let go, in this case, it was your frames.

So lets recap,

You and 9 other trucks out of 14 had mechanical issues on the same run, same trails, same objects at plus or minus a few miles and hour at the same speed and you are going to act as if this is something that is Fords fault when this truck has been getting the shit kicked out of it by many of us for over a year now with out these same results.

Then after you bend your trucks frame, you take it to Ford and say warranty this for me. You just told the dealer and manufacturer that you have frame damage, your wisdom and judgement is amazing. There is a dam good chance this will be reported on the Carfax (as it should) leaving you with the very strong possibility of having to explain to the next owner or worse yet, dealership of what happend. I'm affraid to see what the diminished value of your truck will be after that. A full rear cage will look like pennies in comparisson.

This thread has gone on for so long that not much else can be said. If Bad Companies explanation wasn't good enough for some of you, then God bless you for sticking to your guns. I have already explained why I posted up the video's in another post so there is no point in rehashing my thinking. Its obvious that you are 100% convinced that this is something that should have never happened and you want Ford to fix it. So I will leave it asking you this one question. Lets say they do fix it, then what? Will you beef up the rearend and add more travel to handle the speeds at which you want to go over obsticles? Or will you just leave it alone and realize the all mighty Raptor does have limitation with defying physics?

The Car Fax issue is the main reason Ford is stating you have to have the frames repaired by a dealer. It will be reported. Now let say you don't go to the delaer for repair you take it somewhere else, well now you have just transfered all libility to you! And trust me, if something happens you are in a world of shit. Reason: You didn't have it repair as Ford wanted, and once you repair the frame you will run into this:

WARNING: Never install used or reconditioned parts (as specified below) from
pre-owned, salvaged or damaged vehicles. The General Equipment use of such parts could lead to serious injury. Never use non-Ford parts or accessories for completing repairs. Ford Motor Company does not approve or recognize body and structural repair procedures, tools, parts or anything but new genuine Ford Material equipment. Ford cannot attest to the safety, Item Specification quality, durability or legality of non-Ford parts or accessories. Use of such parts could lead to serious personal injury as they may contain damage which is not visible. Ford does not approve use of the following: Salvaged or used parts, Major body clips or assemblies from salvage Vehicles. Aftermarket structural or body components Salvaged or reconditioned wheels. Returning a vehicle to pre-accident condition can only be assured if repair procedures are carried out by skilled technicians using new genuine Ford parts and Ford-approved methods. Structural component repair procedures approved by Ford, using genuine Ford parts have been validated by Ford Motor Company engineers. Ford Motor Company does not endorse, cannot attest to, and makes no representations regarding structural repairs (frames, rails, aprons and body panels) carried out using non-genuine Ford Motor Company parts or non-Ford-approved methods. In particular, Ford makes no • representations that the vehicle will meet any crash safety or anti-corrosion performance requirement. Such parts and methods have not been tested by Ford, and may not meet Ford’s requirements for safety, performance, strength, quality, durability and corrosion protection.

Ford Motor Company bears no responsibility or liability of any kind if repairs are performed using alternative structural component repair procedures and/or parts.

WARNING: Frame rail crush zones absorb components crash energy during a collision and must be replaced. Straighten damaged frame rails to correct frame dimensions prior to frame member sectioning. Failure to follow these instructions may adversely affect frame rail performance and may result in serious personal injury to vehicle occupant(s).

If Ford says the dealer will perform the repairs, let them, then your off the hook for the libility issue.

 

[Madcowranch]

 

[Phyguy]

Good god man,

Wasn't it you that had an in car camera video of your truck showing 90mph on the speedo and then saying to your buddy "look, we caught that guy already"? You were driving fast, its ok, we've all done it. I Know, I know, Ford did this very same thing in marketing the truck so it must be their fault for not holding our F%#@ing hands while driving in the dirt and telling me what the limit of my truck is. Lets not forget the Titanic was the unsinkable ship as claimed by White Star ship lines.

Clearly you guys drove fast enough, long enough and hard enough to bend the rear of your frames, this is irrefutable because your frames are bent. Most everyone on here but a select few seems to understand this, and accept this. Countless members have driven there trucks hard as hell without these issues, and if they have had the bent frame problem, they sure as hell have been quiet about it.

The only real problem I see it that you took your truck on a an almost 400mile round trip excursion in the dirt at good pre-running speeds and have acted as if your dumb-founded as to why something like this would happen. When you offroad, shit breaks. This is nothing new. Many of us are very familiar with the terrain you guys were on, and it doesn't take Bad Companies amazing grasp of mathmatics to understand you can only drill your bumps stops so many times before something is going to let go, in this case, it was your frames.

So lets recap,

You and 9 other trucks out of 14 had mechanical issues on the same run, same trails, same objects at plus or minus a few miles and hour at the same speed and you are going to act as if this is something that is Fords fault when this truck has been getting the shit kicked out of it by many of us for over a year now with out these same results.

Then after you bend your trucks frame, you take it to Ford and say warranty this for me. You just told the dealer and manufacturer that you have frame damage, your wisdom and judgement is amazing. There is a dam good chance this will be reported on the Carfax (as it should) leaving you with the very strong possibility of having to explain to the next owner or worse yet, dealership of what happend. I'm affraid to see what the diminished value of your truck will be after that. A full rear cage will look like pennies in comparisson.

This thread has gone on for so long that not much else can be said. If Bad Companies explanation wasn't good enough for some of you, then God bless you for sticking to your guns. I have already explained why I posted up the video's in another post so there is no point in rehashing my thinking. Its obvious that you are 100% convinced that this is something that should have never happened and you want Ford to fix it. So I will leave it asking you this one question. Lets say they do fix it, then what? Will you beef up the rearend and add more travel to handle the speeds at which you want to go over obsticles? Or will you just leave it alone and realize the all mighty Raptor does have limitation with defying physics?

^^^^^^

I hope you guys get your frames repaired. Good luck!

 

[Highroller]

Have any of the guys with frame damage checked with thier insurance companies. At this point it may be a good Idea. Some states total vehicles with bent frames. You may end up with a new truck! Might be worth checking.

 

[BlueSVT]

They total non-repairable bent frames... Not a $700 fix! It's similar to getting rear ended just FAR less damage to the frame.

 

[Nv Guy]

One truck did get both spindles bent. The front suspension is soaking the hits up a bit better but the main difference is the leverage placed on the rear during impact. The kicker for instance, the front is going to hit and ramp up over it......well now angles have changed and the rear has got much more weight put on it. Not only does it now have to deal with a considerable amount more of the truck's weight and moving through, it also has to deal with that massive second hit coming down.

I thought the bent spindle guy was because of a big jump. But I cant say for sure.
I can see some of the logic behind the change of angle thing, but I bet the weight distribution is 65%F, 35%R so the rear should have less initial weight to deal with. I just have a hard time accepting that 50% of the suspension is responsible for 90% of the failures when the non failing suspension (front) has lots more delicate parts (ball joints, tie rod ends, Etc).
But, it is what it is.

 

[Highroller]

They total non-repairable bent frames... Not a $700 fix! It's similar to getting rear ended just FAR less damage to the frame.

I would like to know how they are going to fix the frame for $700.00.

 

[Bar]

I would like to know how they are going to fix the frame for $700.00.

Give $100 to SDHQ for their new creation and throw a $600 mark up on the bill.

 

[debate]

@ BlueSTI

Fair enough, I'm not very familiar with the frame construction.

This poster got her "information" from some very nervous SVT designers. The company "engineer" who photographed your undercarriage scratches might have been a liability attorney. For $765 of your money, they'll shim the bed close-enough/good-enough. And while the bed is off, a real engineer will Magnaflux where the frame is broken between the cab and bed.

Please don't let them do it. Instead, have your Raptor flatbedded to an impartial shop, either a Dodge or GM dealership, and have the bed removed for a crack-check of the middle/rear frame connections.

FoMoCo sold our Raptors to run the desert fast. SVT mismatched the rear components to the anorexic F150 modular frame. That's why the frames are a total loss.

Instead of doing the right thing, FoMoCo chose to be the adversary of it's Raptor customers. Your Raptor frame is exhibit A for an F150 redesign.

 

[SOCOMech]

This poster got her "information" from some very nervous SVT designers. The company "engineer" who photographed your undercarriage scratches might have been a liability attorney. For $765 of your money, they'll shim the bed close-enough/good-enough. And while the bed is off, a real engineer will Magnaflux where the frame is broken between the cab and bed.

Please don't let them do it. Instead, have your Raptor flatbedded to an impartial shop, either a Dodge or GM dealership, and have the bed removed for a crack-check of the middle/rear frame connections.

FoMoCo sold our Raptors to run the desert fast. SVT mismatched the rear components to the anorexic F150 modular frame. That's why the frames are a total loss.

Instead of doing the right thing, FoMoCo chose to be the adversary of it's Raptor customers. Your Raptor frame is exhibit A for an F150 redesign.