Houston we have a problem! (the bent frame thread)

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bstoner59

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So you pick videos of the ONLY 2 devastating incidents on the entire run, and assume we all drove like that?

I can supply you with hours of footage from my truck that shows NOTHING even close to that, but you'd probably be quite bored watching it.

Just like my dad always told me...it only takes one mistake to f-up your whole life!! :waytogo:

If you don't think that was a good enough hit to cause damage then I'm not sure I have anything left to tell you...you are lucky there wasn't anything else after that or it wasn't a little taller. Having the rear-end come up and start rotating forward is recipe for disaster. Maybe the next mods you boys do should be a cage...might save your life as you explore the limits of the "poorly designed" Raptor. Just sayin...
 

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Good point bstoner. Some type of cage...

Who the f pre ran that for you? If someone did prerun it, I would venture a guess that he is probably clueless.
 

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Just like my dad always told me...it only takes one mistake to f-up your whole life!! :waytogo:

If you don't think that was a good enough hit to cause damage then I'm not sure I have anything left to tell you...you are lucky there wasn't anything else after that or it wasn't a little taller. Having the rear-end come up and start rotating forward is recipe for disaster. Maybe the next mods you boys do should be a cage...might save your life as you explore the limits of the "poorly designed" Raptor. Just sayin...
Did you see my other post? The video contains the exact kicker that got me as well.

Of course those other videos illustrate something that could damage a frame, and they did! Haha
 

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I would like to pose a couple of questions. Something here just isn’t making sense.

Why aren't we seeing any damage to the front suspension on any of these damaged trucks? With the some of the force figures I have seen calculated here (170,000#) it would seem that the front suspension would show some damage. Didn’t it hit the same kicker? I can understand some minor damage, as the bump stops & frame will need to absorb some energy as the rear of the truck accelerates upward, but this is being presented as if the rear of the truck can't move upward so the frame takes all the force.
An interesting experiment would be for someone to get a rear frame section, put it in a press and see just how many pounds of pressure it takes on the bump stop to bend the frame. We might just be surprised with what that shows.
 

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So you pick videos of the ONLY 2 devastating incidents on the entire run, and assume we all drove like that?

I can supply you with hours of footage from my truck that shows NOTHING even close to that, but you'd probably be quite bored watching it.

Good god man,

Wasn't it you that had an in car camera video of your truck showing 90mph on the speedo and then saying to your buddy "look, we caught that guy already"? You were driving fast, its ok, we've all done it. I Know, I know, Ford did this very same thing in marketing the truck so it must be their fault for not holding our F%#@ing hands while driving in the dirt and telling me what the limit of my truck is. Lets not forget the Titanic was the unsinkable ship as claimed by White Star ship lines.

Clearly you guys drove fast enough, long enough and hard enough to bend the rear of your frames, this is irrefutable because your frames are bent. Most everyone on here but a select few seems to understand this, and accept this. Countless members have driven there trucks hard as hell without these issues, and if they have had the bent frame problem, they sure as hell have been quiet about it.

The only real problem I see it that you took your truck on a an almost 400mile round trip excursion in the dirt at good pre-running speeds and have acted as if your dumb-founded as to why something like this would happen. When you offroad, shit breaks. This is nothing new. Many of us are very familiar with the terrain you guys were on, and it doesn't take Bad Companies amazing grasp of mathmatics to understand you can only drill your bumps stops so many times before something is going to let go, in this case, it was your frames.

So lets recap,

You and 9 other trucks out of 14 had mechanical issues on the same run, same trails, same objects at plus or minus a few miles and hour at the same speed and you are going to act as if this is something that is Fords fault when this truck has been getting the shit kicked out of it by many of us for over a year now with out these same results.

Then after you bend your trucks frame, you take it to Ford and say warranty this for me. You just told the dealer and manufacturer that you have frame damage, your wisdom and judgement is amazing. There is a dam good chance this will be reported on the Carfax (as it should) leaving you with the very strong possibility of having to explain to the next owner or worse yet, dealership of what happend. I'm affraid to see what the diminished value of your truck will be after that. A full rear cage will look like pennies in comparisson.

This thread has gone on for so long that not much else can be said. If Bad Companies explanation wasn't good enough for some of you, then God bless you for sticking to your guns. I have already explained why I posted up the video's in another post so there is no point in rehashing my thinking. Its obvious that you are 100% convinced that this is something that should have never happened and you want Ford to fix it. So I will leave it asking you this one question. Lets say they do fix it, then what? Will you beef up the rearend and add more travel to handle the speeds at which you want to go over obsticles? Or will you just leave it alone and realize the all mighty Raptor does have limitation with defying physics?
 
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Just like my dad always told me...it only takes one mistake to f-up your whole life!! :waytogo:

If you don't think that was a good enough hit to cause damage then I'm not sure I have anything left to tell you...you are lucky there wasn't anything else after that or it wasn't a little taller. Having the rear-end come up and start rotating forward is recipe for disaster. Maybe the next mods you boys do should be a cage...might save your life as you explore the limits of the "poorly designed" Raptor. Just sayin...

+1

Talk about thick headed.
 

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I would like to pose a couple of questions. Something here just isn’t making sense.

Why aren't we seeing any damage to the front suspension on any of these damaged trucks? With the some of the force figures I have seen calculated here (170,000#) it would seem that the front suspension would show some damage. Didn’t it hit the same kicker? I can understand some minor damage, as the bump stops & frame will need to absorb some energy as the rear of the truck accelerates upward, but this is being presented as if the rear of the truck can't move upward so the frame takes all the force.
An interesting experiment would be for someone to get a rear frame section, put it in a press and see just how many pounds of pressure it takes on the bump stop to bend the frame. We might just be surprised with what that shows.

One truck did get both spindles bent. The front suspension is soaking the hits up a bit better but the main difference is the leverage placed on the rear during impact. The kicker for instance, the front is going to hit and ramp up over it......well now angles have changed and the rear has got much more weight put on it. Not only does it now have to deal with a considerable amount more of the truck's weight and moving through, it also has to deal with that massive second hit coming down.
 

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Good god man,

Wasn't it you that had an in car camera video of your truck showing 90mph on the speedo and then saying to your buddy "look, we caught that guy already"? You were driving fast, its ok, we've all done it. I Know, I know, Ford did this very same thing in marketing the truck so it must be their fault for not holding our F%#@ing hands while driving in the dirt and telling me what the limit of my truck is. Lets not forget the Titanic was the unsinkable ship as claimed by White Star ship lines.

Clearly you guys drove fast enough, long enough and hard enough to bend the rear of your frames, this is irrefutable because your frames are bent. Most everyone on here but a select few seems to understand this, and accept this. Countless members have driven there trucks hard as hell without these issues, and if they have had the bent frame problem, they sure as hell have been quiet about it.

The only real problem I see it that you took your truck on a an almost 400mile round trip excursion in the dirt at good pre-running speeds and have acted as if your dumb-founded as to why something like this would happen. When you offroad, shit breaks. This is nothing new. Many of us are very familiar with the terrain you guys were on, and it doesn't take Bad Companies amazing grasp of mathmatics to understand you can only drill your bumps stops so many times before something is going to let go, in this case, it was your frames.

So lets recap,

You and 9 other trucks out of 14 had mechanical issues on the same run, same trails, same objects at plus or minus a few miles and hour at the same speed and you are going to act as if this is something that is Fords fault when this truck has been getting the shit kicked out of it by many of us for over a year now with out these same results.

Then after you bend your trucks frame, you take it to Ford and say warranty this for me. You just told the dealer and manufacturer that you have frame damage, your wisdom and judgement is amazing. There is a dam good chance this will be reported on the Carfax (as it should) leaving you with the very strong possibility of having to explain to the next owner or worse yet, dealership of what happend. I'm affraid to see what the diminished value of your truck will be after that. A full rear cage will look like pennies in comparisson.

This thread has gone on for so long that not much else can be said. If Bad Companies explanation wasn't good enough for some of you, then God bless you for sticking to your guns. I have already explained why I posted up the video's in another post so there is no point in rehashing my thinking. Its obvious that you are 100% convinced that this is something that should have never happened and you want Ford to fix it. So I will leave it asking you this one question. Lets say they do fix it, then what? Will you beef up the rearend and add more travel to handle the speeds at which you want to go over obsticles? Or will you just leave it alone and realize the all mighty Raptor does have limitation with defying physics?

I do hate it for you bent frame guys but this man is speaking the truth.
 

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Good god man,

Wasn't it you that had an in car camera video of your truck showing 90mph on the speedo and then saying to your buddy "look, we caught that guy already"? You were driving fast, its ok, we've all done it. I Know, I know, Ford did this very same thing in marketing the truck so it must be their fault for not holding our F%#@ing hands while driving in the dirt and telling me what the limit of my truck is. Lets not forget the Titanic was the unsinkable ship as claimed by White Star ship lines.

Clearly you guys drove fast enough, long enough and hard enough to bend the rear of your frames, this is irrefutable because your frames are bent. Most everyone on here but a select few seems to understand this, and accept this. Countless members have driven there trucks hard as hell without these issues, and if they have had the bent frame problem, they sure as hell have been quiet about it.

The only real problem I see it that you took your truck on a an almost 400mile round trip excursion in the dirt at good pre-running speeds and have acted as if your dumb-founded as to why something like this would happen. When you offroad, shit breaks. This is nothing new. Many of us are very familiar with the terrain you guys were on, and it doesn't take Bad Companies amazing grasp of mathmatics to understand you can only drill your bumps stops so many times before something is going to let go, in this case, it was your frames.

So lets recap,

You and 9 other trucks out of 14 had mechanical issues on the same run, same trails, same objects at plus or minus a few miles and hour at the same speed and you are going to act as if this is something that is Fords fault when this truck has been getting the shit kicked out of it by many of us for over a year now with out these same results.

Then after you bend your trucks frame, you take it to Ford and say warranty this for me. You just told the dealer and manufacturer that you have frame damage, your wisdom and judgement is amazing. There is a dam good chance this will be reported on the Carfax (as it should) leaving you with the very strong possibility of having to explain to the next owner or worse yet, dealership of what happend. I'm affraid to see what the diminished value of your truck will be after that. A full rear cage will look like pennies in comparisson.

This thread has gone on for so long that not much else can be said. If Bad Companies explanation wasn't good enough for some of you, then God bless you for sticking to your guns. I have already explained why I posted up the video's in another post so there is no point in rehashing my thinking. Its obvious that you are 100% convinced that this is something that should have never happened and you want Ford to fix it. So I will leave it asking you this one question. Lets say they do fix it, then what? Will you beef up the rearend and add more travel to handle the speeds at which you want to go over obsticles? Or will you just leave it alone and realize the all mighty Raptor does have limitation with defying physics?
I was responding to you saying "No wonder you all bent them" as if you were assuming we were ALL hitting stuff like in those videos. Thank you for the rant though.
 
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