Ford Gen3 Raptor and it's future- R's in greater #'s?

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The Raptor may well crush the TRX in the Baja 1000. But the reality is the majority of prospective buyers are going to use these trucks to parking lot pimp, drive to work, take trips with the family, etc.

The vehicle a person needs/uses and what they want are often vastly different. If you're going to argue that few owner's need/use the offroad capability of the Raptor, then you also have to accept that few owner's need/use a 700 HP truck.
 

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To get back on topic, I can’t see the Raptor R selling more over the Raptor. The market overall for the Gen 2 was very popular. It hit the right spots. Time will tell - I am interested to see how many 2022 TRX’s there are. It’s a pricy truck even at base price, and with Ram opening the flood gates in 22 with not doing any restrictions, we’ll see how many get out there. I think in 21 there were less than 15k made so is that because of the market demand for buyers against a $90k truck or was that due to restricted ordering?

Time will tell, and then provide Ford with a go to market plan. The R is going to be up there in price considering a base raptor sits at $64k.
 

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I have been in the market for a new vehicle for several months. I wanted something different, something I never had before and could take me anywhere, or almost anywhere.

I first looked into Bronco, I find it very exciting and full of potential. But the now-usual story on it with the production and delivery issues, quality issues, wait times, etc. put a sour taste in my mouth. Although its price point is so attractive as well as the value it offers.

Then I started looking into the Raptor. So handsome, so much capability, and I really prefer its utility and off-road capabilities over the Bronco. Even more potential than the Bronco.

Then I went to see the TRX. I immediately found it to be appallingly big. it just does not fit my lifestyle or the roads I travel, and off-roading that is available to me in the northeast. The TRX, and the Raptor too, for the most part, is tough to use as a daily driver in my neck of the streets frankly. I cannot afford and don't want to afford a vehicle with such silly mileage in this day and age. Even the Raptor's best 18 mpg should not be acceptable and is not to me, but I could compromise on that point to some degree.

Based on some evaluation of some numbers, perceived current and future value and my use cases, I concluded the Raptor is the best choice with least compromises. However, the dealers asking crazy ADMs made me look a little further or change my timeline for purchase. During this period, I found the Rivian, specifically the R1T.

The R1T has better ground clearance than either of the three vehicles I mentioned above, all four corners have independent suspension, better breakover, departure and approach angles, more power than TRX, ~3.0 sec to 60 mph, instant torque, quad motors (one per wheel) and fully independent torque vectoring, more towing capacity, more payload, etc. (I can go on and on). On top of all of this, I can buy it at MSRP, no dealers in between.

The Rivian has its downsides without a doubt. It is a risk, to say the least, but I'd rather take that risk with the personalized white-glove service than deal with dinosaurs and their dealers. Rivian is obviously not the only choice to Raptor and TRX, there are several others coming into the market if you don't just define the market as the Baja Racers.

So, the point I am trying to make is, Raptor enjoyed a long monopoly in the market and maintained its value and brand. Now the potential customer base is changing, there is more competition and options.
 

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Ford should do something different and TT the 5.2. Sounds like Ford is having a hard time getting to the TRX HP numbers by using a supercharger. They're going to have a hard time getting there reliably while using a smaller engine. The 6.2 Hellcat engine has been around for awhile now and has a pretty good rep.

Lots of clowns here stating that 'Dodge' or 'Fiat" is crap. The RAM brand has been on the upswing for the better part of ten years and is a formidable competitor. Every brand has its problems and Ford is certainly not immune by any stretch of the imagination. The entire eco boost line is nothing to be proud of. Even though the 2.7 will be in our Bronco, I'd rather have a Coyote in it.
 

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Ford should do something different and TT the 5.2. Sounds like Ford is having a hard time getting to the TRX HP numbers by using a supercharger. They're going to have a hard time getting there reliably while using a smaller engine. The 6.2 Hellcat engine has been around for awhile now and has a pretty good rep.

Lots of clowns here stating that 'Dodge' or 'Fiat" is crap. The RAM brand has been on the upswing for the better part of ten years and is a formidable competitor. Every brand has its problems and Ford is certainly not immune by any stretch of the imagination. The entire eco boost line is nothing to be proud of. Even though the 2.7 will be in our Bronco, I'd rather have a Coyote in it.
Ok I’ll bite, what leads you to believe Ford is having a hard time getting to the HP numbers using the predator motor?
 

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I have been in the market for a new vehicle for several months. I wanted something different, something I never had before and could take me anywhere, or almost anywhere.

I first looked into Bronco, I find it very exciting and full of potential. But the now-usual story on it with the production and delivery issues, quality issues, wait times, etc. put a sour taste in my mouth. Although its price point is so attractive as well as the value it offers.

Then I started looking into the Raptor. So handsome, so much capability, and I really prefer its utility and off-road capabilities over the Bronco. Even more potential than the Bronco.

Then I went to see the TRX. I immediately found it to be appallingly big. it just does not fit my lifestyle or the roads I travel, and off-roading that is available to me in the northeast. The TRX, and the Raptor too, for the most part, is tough to use as a daily driver in my neck of the streets frankly. I cannot afford and don't want to afford a vehicle with such silly mileage in this day and age. Even the Raptor's best 18 mpg should not be acceptable and is not to me, but I could compromise on that point to some degree.

Based on some evaluation of some numbers, perceived current and future value and my use cases, I concluded the Raptor is the best choice with least compromises. However, the dealers asking crazy ADMs made me look a little further or change my timeline for purchase. During this period, I found the Rivian, specifically the R1T.

The R1T has better ground clearance than either of the three vehicles I mentioned above, all four corners have independent suspension, better breakover, departure and approach angles, more power than TRX, ~3.0 sec to 60 mph, instant torque, quad motors (one per wheel) and fully independent torque vectoring, more towing capacity, more payload, etc. (I can go on and on). On top of all of this, I can buy it at MSRP, no dealers in between.

The Rivian has its downsides without a doubt. It is a risk, to say the least, but I'd rather take that risk with the personalized white-glove service than deal with dinosaurs and their dealers. Rivian is obviously not the only choice to Raptor and TRX, there are several others coming into the market if you don't just define the market as the Baja Racers.

So, the point I am trying to make is, Raptor enjoyed a long monopoly in the market and maintained its value and brand. Now the potential customer base is changing, there is more competition and options.

Lack of sound (no soul) and the small size of the Rivian are huge deterrents for me. This well may be the last time we have the chance to own trucks like the TRX or Raptor but we will have all the time in the world to own sterile emotionless EVs. I can deal with the poor gas mileage for a couple of years before EV's are forced down our throats.
 

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Ok I’ll bite, what leads you to believe Ford is having a hard time getting to the HP numbers using the predator motor?

I had read somewhere (maybe Motor Trend) that they're having reliability issues once they get past 650hp. No problem in the GT500 but it appears to be when you put it in the Raptor.
 

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Has anybody heard if the R will implement a full time AWD system like the TRX? The drivetrain in a big truck is my guess as to where any power-related reliability issues would come from, not the motor itself.
 
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