GEN 2 California residents buying out of state - CA emissions

[jbigelow]

All Raptors ARE California certified and have the CA sticker under the hood.

You WILL be able to register a raptor in California just as long as you have the CA carb sticker under the hood for DMV and for smog when smoggng and you get your raptor weighed at a weight scale since it’s considered a commercial vehicle. The CA carb sticker is what is used to register the car in CA.

Now if u live in a green state like New York, they don’t go by the CA carb sticker, but by the CA green state build on the window sticker or build sheet.

Clear as mud?

How do I know, I registered an out of state “no California” build raptor into CA.

Hope this helps

 

[troverman]

...Where you live, and who your friends and acquaintances change everything.

Here in SoCal.. my friends, colleagues, neighbors, clients, etc have enjoyed the stock market tripling since 2009 (greatest bull market rally in history), housing prices reaching all time highs again (with people actually QUALIFIED to buy homes - wow, think about that..) and business doing great.

If you havent capitalized on the massive economical recovery that occurred in the past 8 years... thanks to the previous administration who got things handled vs playing on social media every day manipulating headlines with tweets - then I feel bad for you. I built a business in 2008 with $1500 in my bank account and have made millions of dollars since.

If your position sucks, and the last 8 years of your life were not good- don't blame the president, blame the guy in the mirror who couldn't make his OWN life great - and want some orange haired Ms Universe creeper to change your life for the better instead.. good luck - it doesn't seem to be working well already.

If you've taken $1500 and turned it into millions, congratulations. I love hearing stories like that. It does beg the question why you are shopping out of state Raptors just to save a few quid. Nevertheless, your success was likely not tied to any president.

Before you praise Obama too hard on 'turning the economy around' you should think about how exactly that happened. The financial downturn cannot be blamed on Bush, or Clinton, or even administrations before that. It came from several administrations and Congresses which chose to not tighten up banking regulations and laws. Bankruptcies without consequences. Lending to unqualified persons. High S&P ratings given risky lenders by the risky lenders themselves! These actions were either encouraged or ignored by politicians who stood to gain either by announcing big numbers on Wall St or by illicit "donations" to campaigns.

The economy has natural upswings and downswings, booms and busts. It is called the business cycle. Certain actions can help speed along or delay these swings, but they are inevitable. Bush left office during a recession. No specific action that his administration performed can be listed as the cause.

Obama was in office during a tremendous turn-around. The upswing was made much quicker by his actions, but we are paying the price now. Obama chose to bail out banks and automakers that were failing. Everybody talks about GM and Chrysler...but it is actually the bank bailout that is so much more expensive. To date, we have paid over 4.6 Trillion dollars to the Troubled Asset Recovery Program known as TARP. We are continuing to pay, and the finally tally is projected to be over $16T. That amount will make anything Trump does look like peanuts. It does not include the automaker bailouts of a measly $80B. The treasury was able to recover $70B of that amount...meaning the taxpayers are out a "mere" $10B.

Now, do I fault Obama for putting America in debt for many years ahead in order to do this? Yes and no. Yes, in the sense that we are capitalists. If my small business cannot pay its bills, the doors are closed. But big businesses that have already made owners massively wealthy with little risk to themselves are saved. But on the other hand, had the business been allowed to fail, thousands of Americans would have become unemployed and the recession would have deepened into a depression. So yes, we saved jobs and made a quick turnaround...but sometimes when you put out a wildfire the next one is much more vicious.

Here's a couple of sources from Forbes and USAToday:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikecollins/2015/07/14/the-big-bank-bailout/#202203022d83

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/12/30/auto-bailout-tarp-gm-chrysler/21061251/

Anyway, sorry to get off topic. But if you think the cost of Trump's proposed wall (prices range from $20B to $70B) is high, consider it to be of similar cost to the automaker bailouts. But also consider the $135B annually the US spends dealing with illegal immigrants. The wall could actually end up being a sound investment. Unfortunately, people cannot be pragmatic about Trump since they either love him or hate him.

 

[WhatExit?]

But also consider the $135B annually the US spends dealing with illegal immigrants.

This is exactly what most Kalifornia voters have been hoodwinked about. Kalifornia has the highest cost in the USA for illegal immigrants paying billions and billions for their care.

The state would be in a far, far better place if those billions weren't shelled out for illegals meanwhile they are still encouraged to come here.

 

[troverman]

Agreed. The way I look at it, if you're Mexican and want to come to the US...no problem. Fill out the forms, wait to be vetted, go through all the legal procedures. And by the way, plan on learning English. There is no way there should be schools in the United States that are spanish-speaking, or other federal or state facilities. That does nothing except cost the English-speaking taxpayer money. You want to speak spanish in your home, your church, or your workplace? No problem. On taxpayer funded premises? No way.

I think part of the problem is CA already has so many Latinos in their general population that they are sympathetic to illegals coming in or who are already living there...and choose to vote to stymie legal operations against the law-breakers. Combine that with the rest of the population being extremely liberal...it leaves on a very small minority of conservatives who could never vote enough to change anything.

 

[kpg81]

I live in SoCal and the only immigrants I see are the ones that I hire to remodel my house, clean it, maintain the landscaping, etc for pennies on the dollar vs millennial spoiled white kids who’d never do the job. If I’m paying more taxes for them to be here and do work for me cheap... it breaks even I guess. No president is going to change that... and definitely not a wall. So have your opinion, but when you want work done at your house - go ahead and find only white laborers and pay them and let’s see what you say then. They do the jobs people like you and I would never do, let alone at those prices.

 

[WhatExit?]

Agreed. The way I look at it, if you're Mexican and want to come to the US...no problem. Fill out the forms, wait to be vetted, go through all the legal procedures. And by the way, plan on learning English. There is no way there should be schools in the United States that are spanish-speaking, or other federal or state facilities. That does nothing except cost the English-speaking taxpayer money. You want to speak spanish in your home, your church, or your workplace? No problem. On taxpayer funded premises? No way.

I think part of the problem is CA already has so many Latinos in their general population that they are sympathetic to illegals coming in or who are already living there...and choose to vote to stymie legal operations against the law-breakers. Combine that with the rest of the population being extremely liberal...it leaves on a very small minority of conservatives who could never vote enough to change anything.

And let's also mention the liberal agenda that means always supporting illegals even those who have committed crimes.

I still don't understand how they don't mind if an illegal breaks the law and isn't put in jail. Meanwhile they'd protest to have me tossed in jail if they found out I broke the law and wasn't behind bars.

I live in SoCal and the only immigrants I see are the ones that I hire to remodel my house, clean it, maintain the landscaping, etc for pennies on the dollar vs millennial spoiled white kids who’d never do the job. If I’m paying more taxes for them to be here and do work for me cheap... it breaks even I guess. No president is going to change that... and definitely not a wall. So have your opinion, but when you want work done at your house - go ahead and find only white laborers and pay them and let’s see what you say then. They do the jobs people like you and I would never do, let alone at those prices.

Ah, I see you've bought into the liberal agenda. You seem to have no idea what's really going on. I talk to licensed, insured, workers comp Latino contractors who are, like others pissed off about the illegals who work for cash without having insurance, licenses or workers comp.

YOUR liberal-led government is looking the other way at what illegals are doing in and to our society and you're buying into it.

Don't worry about the "white laborers" and "millennial spoiled white kids" (are you white?) - they'll be OK as long as the government creates and maintains A LEVEL AND FAIR-FOR-ALL LANDSCAPE where everyone can compete for the same opportunities.

After all, isn't that what "EQUALITY" is all about?!

 

[troverman]

That's the problem. We have immigrants here that are willing to do all the jobs you just listed for pennies on the dollar. They are not paying tax on their earnings, and because they do the jobs so cheaply they force others that might be in the same business *out* because they cannot compete and survive at those prices. I live in the East, and own a small landscaping company. There are no illegals here to hire, and so it is feasible to make a living working for a landscape company. My employees are paid checks with taxes withheld and I pay my matching tax on them as well.

My understanding from being out west is you can just pull into a Home Depot parking lot and find plenty of illegals hanging out waiting to be hired for any kind of handyman job...be it mowing the lawn, painting the house, doing plumbing, hanging drywall, etc. And there are no shortage of takers. What this means is not only are the illegals not paying taxes to support them being in the country, but they are taking a realistic living wage opportunity away from those who might be legally operating a similar business. You talk about spoiled millennial white kids, but it sounds like you enjoy benefiting from cheap labor and so perhaps it is privileged folks like yourself who are resisting cracking down on illegals because you might have to pay a realistic wage for maintaining your property...

 

[murph145]

^ funny how this thread got off topic!

I own a construction company in So Cal. All my actual employees are legal and pay taxes (all of my employees are originally from south of the boarder, Mexico / El Salvador / Guatemala Etc.) I pay my guys from $18-$25hr depending on skill level. Highest paid guys have been with me over 15 years.

Anyways I needed some extra labor on a job to help stock it and went to a local HD asked the parking lot guys if they would come and help they demanded $20 an hour plus lunch!! I was like screw this lol. Man these guys are ruthless and want a lot of money!

Living in and owning a construction based business out of Los Angeles is a double edged sword. Often times you get what you pay for quality wise. I wish I could find more skilled labor out here because we do high end projects but no one in LA wants to do construction these days. Al the kids go to school to be something other than a tradesman and most want to be Youtube stars haha.

Sorry to go off topic as well but it is definitely interesting out here to say the least.

I hope things change.......

 

[troverman]

Sorry about the off-topic.

Your Raptor must seem slow compared to your GTR.

 

[murph145]

^ yea pretty much everything feels slow compared to my GTR now lol.

The raptor has that turbo feel def though. I am used to my old Hemi Ram and the torque of the V8 the EcoBoost motor has that same power curve as my GTR.... interesting in a truck