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Do you not realize how modular engines work? They're modular so parts interchange, assembly lines interchange, and it's not like the old days. They don't build the raptor engines as "superduty 6.2's" then send them off to a specialty area to "raptorize" them. It's the same frigging engine. The superduties use a different cam profile, big whoop, they aren't un-installing superduty cams and installing special raptor cams. Ever watch the show on discovery about ford's assembly lines? It's similar for the engine plants. It's no difference what cam they drop in from the start. Know what they also do that with? 5.0's between mustang and truck 5.0's. And umpteen other vehicles. Gen 2 Lightnings, identical 5.4 as every other truck 5.4 but with a different piston. It's not an entire different wing/factory/line where they raptorize anything. It's all done on the exact same assembly line as everything else rolls down, it's cake for them to use a different part here or there and keep it all on the same lines. that's modular motors. And there's nothing special about the Raptor 6.2 vs any other f150 6.2, it's the same in the HD trucks, same in the platinums, same in any f150 available with a 6.2.



Ford isn't bringing the 6.2 back in the Raptor, even as an option. All that would do is completely pull the carpet out on everything they're saying with the 3.5 TT EB for the new Raptor...."if ford says the new 3.5 TT EB is so great why are they bringing back the outdated 6.2?", that's not what they want, they aren't going to do it. They are not going to revamp it to make more output than their flagship new 3.5 ecoboost, that's against everything Ford is building to. And they certainly aren't going to offer it in it's current state with lesser hp, terrible mpg and worse emissions just to lower their CAFE standards to appease a few v8 diehards that prefer a v8 with less power over a v6 TT with more (because again, they aren't going to make the 6.2 lay down more and overshadow the new 3.5 TT).



I'd be more of a chance that they'd offer a 5.0 or 5.2 variant of an ecoboost down the road maybe in an '18 or '19 Raptor as an optional engine, kill 3 birds with one stone....further the ecoboost nameplate, make the v8 diehards happy, and have a ridiculous power plant for a next gen gt500 and optional raptor engine, and still have better mpg than the gas hungry, heavy iron block, outdated 2v, cafe-dragging, 6.2



And it would be nothing for ford to continue the 6.2 in a superduty only line. The 6.8 V10 was always a superduty only line as well. They need to keep one big gas engine for the superduty line for guys who don't have the $8k premium to go diesel, so the 6.2 will stick around even if it's soley for that. I wouldn't be surprised though if in the not so distant future, even that would get replaced and Ford would make an ecoboost gasser the base engine for a superduty. That would also turn the world upside down with a "you can't do that! it'll ruin it!" but if they're so confident in their EB lineup, I could definitely see them doing it. They've already done several of those big changes that everyone said they can't do that, yet they've all been a success so far, so that could very well be the next....



"a 3.5L V6 Ecoboost TT in a GT supercar? You can't do that!"

"a 3.5L V6 Ecoboost TT in a Raptor? You can't do that!"

"a 2.7L V6 Ecoboost in a F150? You can't do that!"

"a 2.4L Ecoboost 4 cylinder in a Mustang? You can't do that!"

"a flat plane crank in a 5.2L V8? You can't do that!"

"a x.xL Ecoboost in a Superduty? You can't do that!"


Seriously, you're a ****...I know how production lines work. I'm not a ******* retard like you make me out to be. Like you said, the Raptor engines have different parts in them than the super duty engines. At some point along the assembly line this parts are put into the engine. That point in the assembly line is taking up space and time...all of which is considered a "soft cost" in the business world.

Why sell a "Raptor" engine into the marine work them? Why call it a Raptor engine, especially when they are selling the 6.2 Super Duty engine into the marine market and not calling it a Raptor? Why keep buying the different parts that make that Raptor version different than the Super Duty? For 1500 units a year? Like I said above, seems like a waste of time and space when you're a company pushing out 750,000 trucks a year. I guess Ford decided the Raptor engine would die but decided to enter the marine market with a dead engine so they could produce a tiny handful of engines for no reason




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They have a Super Duty engine they use for marine applications. Then they have a line of Raptor engines. 4 engines in total. Seems strange to market an engine and call it a Raptor engine if you can't buy it in a Raptor. I may be wrong but it all seems strange


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Seriously, you're a ****...I know how production lines work. I'm not a ******* retard like you make me out to be. Like you said, the Raptor engines have different parts in them than the super duty engines. At some point along the assembly line this parts are put into the engine. That point in the assembly line is taking up space and time...all of which is considered a "soft cost" in the business world.

LMAO, I'm a ****, because I pointed out that the rationale behind guys thinking Ford will come back with the 6.2 in the Raptor aren't rational? Strong argument!

If you think that them having a F-150 version of the 6.2 (because there isn't a Raptor-specific version, all 6.2 f150's get the same one), and the superduty version of the 6.2, is taking up all this extra assembly line space and time, you clearly don't understand how they run their assembly lines. It's not 2 different lines or 2 different plants, or any additional time for them to run 2 variants. You're not talking a 5.0 coyote v.s. a 5.2 voodoo engine where there are significant differences (even though they are modular as well and share a lot of parts), you're talking the same exact 6.2's with a different cam profile. If ford can manage to build EVERY f150 from an XL base model to a fully loaded SVT raptor on the SAME assembly line at the SAME time, pretty sure they can manage to run a single 6.2 assembly line and run both the superduty and f150 versions without adding time, separate lines, etc. It's all computerized as to what gets what, it's all modular so they can share the same lines, you make it out to seem like the Raptor 6.2 is like the cobra jets where they do get sent off to another place to get "cobra-jet-ized" when you say the "raptorized" version of a 6.2 lol. Nope.



Why sell a "Raptor" engine into the marine work them? Why call it a Raptor engine, especially when they are selling the 6.2 Super Duty engine into the marine market and not calling it a Raptor? Why keep buying the different parts that make that Raptor version different than the Super Duty? For 1500 units a year? Like I said above, seems like a waste of time and space when you're a company pushing out 750,000 trucks a year. I guess Ford decided the Raptor engine would die but decided to enter the marine market with a dead engine so they could produce a tiny handful of engines for no reason

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Hey have you ever heard of Ford Racing? lol They sell crate engines that aren't all the same as the exact production models as well.

Why do they sell FOUR different versions of 5.0L aluminator crate engines? Why do they sell an Ecobeast crate engine? Those sound like a waste of time and space too compared to the mass produced vehicles they make. Luckily for performance enthusiasts, Ford isn't ONLY about maximizing profit at the expense of trimming anything that isn't the biggest money maker. They still offer these specialty, lower volume, crate engines to keep their Ford Racing/Ford Performance brand strong. And because with modular, it's not as expensive to keep a few low volume specialty crate engines in production to keep their Ford Racing/Ford Performance brand going strong, because they don't have to run these separate assembly lines and new buildings more time more space, they can get them done relatively inexpensive to offer a tweaked variant and keep it profitable.

No different than them offering an f150 version 6.2L crate engine for boats as well, and since crate engines are typically used in performance applications, only makes sense they use the f150 version not the superduty version. Calling it a Raptor 6.2 is only marketing hype because it sounds better than F-150 6.2 even though it's identical.

And the 6.2 isn't dead since it's still in the superduty, so the exact engine is still 95% available in stock superduty form. It's no biggie at all for Ford Racing to get a run of 1500 done with a different cam, just like it's no biggie for them to get a run of 1500 or less done in those other crate engines they offer that aren't 100% identical to production versions.

Lastly, if the 6.2 did end up dieing off in the superduty like it did the f150, you'd probably see the 6.2 crate version available for a short while to clear out stock, but it would then eventually die off. Just like the 4.6 and 5.4 and 5.8 crate engines they used to offer, but once the 4.6, 5.4, and 5.8 ended their run, all of the crate versions ended as well.
 

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LMAO, I'm a ****, because I pointed out that the rationale behind guys thinking Ford will come back with the 6.2 in the Raptor aren't rational? Strong argument!



If you think that them having a F-150 version of the 6.2 (because there isn't a Raptor-specific version, all 6.2 f150's get the same one), and the superduty version of the 6.2, is taking up all this extra assembly line space and time, you clearly don't understand how they run their assembly lines. It's not 2 different lines or 2 different plants, or any additional time for them to run 2 variants. You're not talking a 5.0 coyote v.s. a 5.2 voodoo engine where there are significant differences (even though they are modular as well and share a lot of parts), you're talking the same exact 6.2's with a different cam profile. If ford can manage to build EVERY f150 from an XL base model to a fully loaded SVT raptor on the SAME assembly line at the SAME time, pretty sure they can manage to run a single 6.2 assembly line and run both the superduty and f150 versions without adding time, separate lines, etc. It's all computerized as to what gets what, it's all modular so they can share the same lines, you make it out to seem like the Raptor 6.2 is like the cobra jets where they do get sent off to another place to get "cobra-jet-ized" when you say the "raptorized" version of a 6.2 lol. Nope.











Hey have you ever heard of Ford Racing? lol They sell crate engines that aren't all the same as the exact production models as well.



Why do they sell FOUR different versions of 5.0L aluminator crate engines? Why do they sell an Ecobeast crate engine? Those sound like a waste of time and space too compared to the mass produced vehicles they make. Luckily for performance enthusiasts, Ford isn't ONLY about maximizing profit at the expense of trimming anything that isn't the biggest money maker. They still offer these specialty, lower volume, crate engines to keep their Ford Racing/Ford Performance brand strong. And because with modular, it's not as expensive to keep a few low volume specialty crate engines in production to keep their Ford Racing/Ford Performance brand going strong, because they don't have to run these separate assembly lines and new buildings more time more space, they can get them done relatively inexpensive to offer a tweaked variant and keep it profitable.



No different than them offering an f150 version 6.2L crate engine for boats as well, and since crate engines are typically used in performance applications, only makes sense they use the f150 version not the superduty version. Calling it a Raptor 6.2 is only marketing hype because it sounds better than F-150 6.2 even though it's identical.



And the 6.2 isn't dead since it's still in the superduty, so the exact engine is still 95% available in stock superduty form. It's no biggie at all for Ford Racing to get a run of 1500 done with a different cam, just like it's no biggie for them to get a run of 1500 or less done in those other crate engines they offer that aren't 100% identical to production versions.



Lastly, if the 6.2 did end up dieing off in the superduty like it did the f150, you'd probably see the 6.2 crate version available for a short while to clear out stock, but it would then eventually die off. Just like the 4.6 and 5.4 and 5.8 crate engines they used to offer, but once the 4.6, 5.4, and 5.8 ended their run, all of the crate versions ended as well.


I never once said they have a separate assembly line. Learn to comprehend what you read. Putting Raptor specific parts into an engine takes time and space. They don't magically appear. Even if it's minimal time and space it's still time and space.

Ford is a car maker, of course they can build XL's along with all the other lines. If Ford sold 1500 XL level trucks out of all the F150s they build they wouldn't build them anymore because there isn't any need for it...thanks for letting me prove my point in another way.

F150's don't get the 6.2 anymore...what are you talking about? It's only available in the SD's.

I bet Ford sells more than 1500 5.0 crate motors a year. Can you provide me with numbers? Building crate motors is something they have done forever. Not so with the marine engine. Getting involved in a whole new industry is more of a cost. A new division to sell marine engines doesn't just appear and run itself.

Look, like I said, someone told me something having talked with a person at Ford with inside info. Part of the team that was testing the EB engine in the Baja 1000. Seeing that since I was told that and Ford has obviously put money into marketing the Raptor 6.2 in the marine world, it seems to make sense to me.

The reason you're a **** is because you disregard the info I provided and start spouting off this BS because you are obviously an expert in the modular engine world. I may be wrong, no one knows. If you have factual information for me to prove me wrong, rather than your assumptions based off of your expansive knowledge of the modular engine assembly, feel free to provide it.


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Lastly, if the 6.2 did end up dieing off in the superduty like it did the f150, you'd probably see the 6.2 crate version available for a short while to clear out stock, but it would then eventually die off. Just like the 4.6 and 5.4 and 5.8 crate engines they used to offer, but once the 4.6, 5.4, and 5.8 ended their run, all of the crate versions ended as well.


You know you are helping me prove my point, right? The 6.2 isn't going anywhere. That's obvious. If it's not going anywhere and the are still making Raptor engines it seems more logical at some point they offer their Raptor engine in Raptors.

And for the record it's "dying" not "dieing". Maybe you should spend more time on the English language and less time on modular engine assembly lines. [emoji1617]


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I never once said they have a separate assembly line. Learn to comprehend what you read. Putting Raptor specific parts into an engine takes time and space. They don't magically appear. Even if it's minimal time and space it's still time and space.


Ummm, think about that one.....On it taking more time to offer an f150 version 6.2, it doesn't take any more time to put in a f150 spec cam than a superduty spec cam, they take the same amount of time, it's the same engine. So it doesn't take them any more time to build it one way vs the other. Again, it's not a cobrajet engine lol. On it taking up more space, the cams take up the same amount of space on a supply rack, whether it's a SD cam or a F150 cam, so it's not more space.

They can only build engines so fast, and the assembly line guy putting 1 cam in vs another isn't the part making it take longer lol. You can build say 100 engines an hour on the assembly line, you want 50 of them superduty 6.2's and 50 of them f150 6.2's? Okay that's still 100 engines to build, it's not going to take longer to build one than the other. You want 100 of them superduty 6.2s? Same time to build 100. Space for cams? You'll have 100 pairs of cams coming down the supply line, it'll be 50 pairs of SD cams and 50 pairs of f150 cams, that's not any more space than if it were 100 superduty 6.2's with 100 pairs of superduty cams lol.




Ford is a car maker, of course they can build XL's along with all the other lines. If Ford sold 1500 XL level trucks out of all the F150s they build they wouldn't build them anymore because there isn't any need for it...thanks for letting me prove my point in another way.

You missed the point totally. Most people assume the Raptor is built on a special assembly line, or a separate assembly line, or done in a run of just raptors all at once on the assembly line. That's not the case. You watch the assembly line, and in the same line you'll see a Raptor, then an XL, then a Platinum, then a XLT, then another Raptor, then a King Ranch, etc. It's so computerized, modularized, efficient, you name it, that they've got the process down to allow variations between trucks on the line without slowing it down.

F150's don't get the 6.2 anymore...what are you talking about? It's only available in the SD's.

Yeah I get that, and neither do the Raptors....what are you talking about calling it a Raptor engine then? lol The point was when the 6.2 was offered in the f150, it was the exact same engine as the Raptor. The 6.2 in the Raptor didn't have anything special done just because it was in the Raptor. It was a regular 6.2 just like the other f150's that had it. Again, calling it a "Raptor 6.2" is just a marketing thing.


I bet Ford sells more than 1500 5.0 crate motors a year. Can you provide me with numbers? Building crate motors is something they have done forever. Not so with the marine engine. Getting involved in a whole new industry is more of a cost. A new division to sell marine engines doesn't just appear and run itself.

Who knows how many they sell, it doesn't make a difference. They have 4 varients of the 5.0 crate motor though, plus an ecobeast crate motor. You have a link for Ford's new "Marine Divison"? If they even are, and it's not just another company buying Ford 6.2 crate motors and sticking them in boats.

But even say they do have this new marine motor divison, do you reallllllly think they sat down and went "well guys, we may flop on this venture, but we can always stick the 6.2 back in the Raptor to help offset this new boat market, so we can justify keeping the Raptorized 6.2 alive,.....yeah it'll kind of shit on all the ecoboost marketing for the gen 2 raptor if we come back out with the old weaker/slower/less efficient engine into the raptor, but eh lets go with it!" lmao


Look, like I said, someone told me something having talked with a person at Ford with inside info. Part of the team that was testing the EB engine in the Baja 1000. Seeing that since I was told that and Ford has obviously put money into marketing the Raptor 6.2 in the marine world, it seems to make sense to me.

ahahahahahha, someone told you something that talked with somebody at ford who talked with somebody who had inside info, from somebodys uncles cousins brothers neighbor....did I get that right? lol. Well that changes everything, I totally believe the irrational rumors then!

Now I don't know that guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who heard some stuff from a guy he knows, but I'm going to take a guess that they reason they're calling the marine 6.2 a Raptor 6.2....is maybe, just maybe, because it came in the gen 1 Raptor!?!??! And NOT as a secret illumanti clue that they're going to come out with it in the Gen 2 Raptor? And maybe, just maybe, because calling it a Raptor 6.2 sounds way cooler than calling it an F-150 6.2 or Platinum 6.2, even though it's the exact same frigging thing LOL.




The reason you're a **** is because you disregard the info I provided and start spouting off this BS because you are obviously an expert in the modular engine world. I may be wrong, no one knows. If you have factual information for me to prove me wrong, rather than your assumptions based off of your expansive knowledge of the modular engine assembly, feel free to provide it.

Didn't disregard any of it acutally, pretty sure I quoted almost each section of it to point out where the logic is flawed, doesn't make sense, or is realllllly stretching it (like in cases of a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy LOL).


You know you are helping me prove my point, right? The 6.2 isn't going anywhere. That's obvious. If it's not going anywhere and the are still making Raptor engines it seems more logical at some point they offer their Raptor engine in Raptors.


Hey if that keeps you sleeping at night, keep convincing yourself that lol. It's pretty hysterical seeing the general concensus on this board. Dig back to 2011-2012 when I posted I could completely see Ford offering a 3.5 ecoboost in the Raptor and so many people swore how that was insane, would never happen, not ever, completely stupid, will ruin the truck, blah blah blah. Well fast forward 4-5 years, looky there my rationale back then was spot on. Most people have accepted it, don't need to like it, but they've accepted it, but there's still a few hanging on with a stretch of the imagination that just because some boats get a 6.2L crate engine that marketing called a RAPTOR engine, (even though it's the same as any f150 6.2, but hey it came in the raptor at one point so it's a marketing buzz name) they think that THAT is a clue that the 6.2 will return to the gen 2 raptor. LOL! Keep reaching!

The only LOGIC used in that theory is so trivial, all based on the name of the marine crate motor that it would be "logical" to offer it in the next Raptor? There's no logic in that at all lol. Using LOGIC would be thinking that hey if Ford offered the old 6.2 back, it would really put a tarnish on the 3.5 EB marketing they've done, how they've touted it as so much better, more powerful, more efficient, overall better, and using logic to understand that if Ford offered the 6.2 back, people would be scratching their heads questioning why if Ford dropped the 6.2 all together, why are they bringing it back, and think it must meant they weren't so sure in the 3.5 afterall if they went back on their word and offered the old outdated engine back. LOGIC would also say, that if they do want to appease their V8 diehard fans, they would probably do so in a manner of offering a newer v8, and perhaps an EB varient, that would both further the EB nameplate, while appeasing the V8 diehards, without moving backwards and bringing back discontinued engines.




And for the record it's "dying" not "dieing". Maybe you should spend more time on the English language and less time on modular engine assembly lines. [emoji1617]

Oh gee, I'm so ashamed by that insult, I had a typo on one of the most commonly mixed up spellings of words, that completely invalidates everything else in my post! LOL

Hey you've got 2 done so far, did I miss any on this list.....?


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Ummm, think about that one.....On it taking more time to offer an f150 version 6.2, it doesn't take any more time to put in a f150 spec cam than a superduty spec cam, they take the same amount of time, it's the same engine. So it doesn't take them any more time to build it one way vs the other. Again, it's not a cobrajet engine lol. On it taking up more space, the cams take up the same amount of space on a supply rack, whether it's a SD cam or a F150 cam, so it's not more space.



They can only build engines so fast, and the assembly line guy putting 1 cam in vs another isn't the part making it take longer lol. You can build say 100 engines an hour on the assembly line, you want 50 of them superduty 6.2's and 50 of them f150 6.2's? Okay that's still 100 engines to build, it's not going to take longer to build one than the other. You want 100 of them superduty 6.2s? Same time to build 100. Space for cams? You'll have 100 pairs of cams coming down the supply line, it'll be 50 pairs of SD cams and 50 pairs of f150 cams, that's not any more space than if it were 100 superduty 6.2's with 100 pairs of superduty cams lol.













You missed the point totally. Most people assume the Raptor is built on a special assembly line, or a separate assembly line, or done in a run of just raptors all at once on the assembly line. That's not the case. You watch the assembly line, and in the same line you'll see a Raptor, then an XL, then a Platinum, then a XLT, then another Raptor, then a King Ranch, etc. It's so computerized, modularized, efficient, you name it, that they've got the process down to allow variations between trucks on the line without slowing it down.







Yeah I get that, and neither do the Raptors....what are you talking about calling it a Raptor engine then? lol The point was when the 6.2 was offered in the f150, it was the exact same engine as the Raptor. The 6.2 in the Raptor didn't have anything special done just because it was in the Raptor. It was a regular 6.2 just like the other f150's that had it. Again, calling it a "Raptor 6.2" is just a marketing thing.









Who knows how many they sell, it doesn't make a difference. They have 4 varients of the 5.0 crate motor though, plus an ecobeast crate motor. You have a link for Ford's new "Marine Divison"? If they even are, and it's not just another company buying Ford 6.2 crate motors and sticking them in boats.



But even say they do have this new marine motor divison, do you reallllllly think they sat down and went "well guys, we may flop on this venture, but we can always stick the 6.2 back in the Raptor to help offset this new boat market, so we can justify keeping the Raptorized 6.2 alive,.....yeah it'll kind of shit on all the ecoboost marketing for the gen 2 raptor if we come back out with the old weaker/slower/less efficient engine into the raptor, but eh lets go with it!" lmao









ahahahahahha, someone told you something that talked with somebody at ford who talked with somebody who had inside info, from somebodys uncles cousins brothers neighbor....did I get that right? lol. Well that changes everything, I totally believe the irrational rumors then!



Now I don't know that guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who heard some stuff from a guy he knows, but I'm going to take a guess that they reason they're calling the marine 6.2 a Raptor 6.2....is maybe, just maybe, because it came in the gen 1 Raptor!?!??! And NOT as a secret illumanti clue that they're going to come out with it in the Gen 2 Raptor? And maybe, just maybe, because calling it a Raptor 6.2 sounds way cooler than calling it an F-150 6.2 or Platinum 6.2, even though it's the exact same frigging thing LOL.













Didn't disregard any of it acutally, pretty sure I quoted almost each section of it to point out where the logic is flawed, doesn't make sense, or is realllllly stretching it (like in cases of a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy LOL).











Hey if that keeps you sleeping at night, keep convincing yourself that lol. It's pretty hysterical seeing the general concensus on this board. Dig back to 2011-2012 when I posted I could completely see Ford offering a 3.5 ecoboost in the Raptor and so many people swore how that was insane, would never happen, not ever, completely stupid, will ruin the truck, blah blah blah. Well fast forward 4-5 years, looky there my rationale back then was spot on. Most people have accepted it, don't need to like it, but they've accepted it, but there's still a few hanging on with a stretch of the imagination that just because some boats get a 6.2L crate engine that marketing called a RAPTOR engine, (even though it's the same as any f150 6.2, but hey it came in the raptor at one point so it's a marketing buzz name) they think that THAT is a clue that the 6.2 will return to the gen 2 raptor. LOL! Keep reaching!



The only LOGIC used in that theory is so trivial, all based on the name of the marine crate motor that it would be "logical" to offer it in the next Raptor? There's no logic in that at all lol. Using LOGIC would be thinking that hey if Ford offered the old 6.2 back, it would really put a tarnish on the 3.5 EB marketing they've done, how they've touted it as so much better, more powerful, more efficient, overall better, and using logic to understand that if Ford offered the 6.2 back, people would be scratching their heads questioning why if Ford dropped the 6.2 all together, why are they bringing it back, and think it must meant they weren't so sure in the 3.5 afterall if they went back on their word and offered the old outdated engine back. LOGIC would also say, that if they do want to appease their V8 diehard fans, they would probably do so in a manner of offering a newer v8, and perhaps an EB varient, that would both further the EB nameplate, while appeasing the V8 diehards, without moving backwards and bringing back discontinued engines.













Oh gee, I'm so ashamed by that insult, I had a typo on one of the most commonly mixed up spellings of words, that completely invalidates everything else in my post! LOL



Hey you've got 2 done so far, did I miss any on this list.....?





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-when you get frustrated you aren't changing opposing opinions, try insulting grammer or spelling ("you spelled dying wrong....blah blah blah")

-when you get really angry, try the "oh yeah, well I'm better/faster/richer/etc than you so na-na-na" (hmmm will that one be next? lol)

-when all else fails, go to the complete cheap shots no matter how irrelevent to the point of the debated topic (probably at least 2 or 3 posts away from that one lol)


You're an ass in all of your posts. I was simply bringing up a point of discussion. I get it, you are more knowledgeable than anyone on the new Raptor. Lecture me some more...


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