2016 [2017*] Raptor test mule spy shots

[pirate air]

It's the battery cables, they gave him a full sec in the 1/4


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Dang I totaly missed that thread! Seems modular princess is also the quite the battery cable expert!

 

[Wilson]

Do you not realize how modular engines work? They're modular so parts interchange, assembly lines interchange, and it's not like the old days. They don't build the raptor engines as "superduty 6.2's" then send them off to a specialty area to "raptorize" them. It's the same frigging engine. The superduties use a different cam profile, big whoop, they aren't un-installing superduty cams and installing special raptor cams. Ever watch the show on discovery about ford's assembly lines? It's similar for the engine plants. It's no difference what cam they drop in from the start. Know what they also do that with? 5.0's between mustang and truck 5.0's. And umpteen other vehicles. Gen 2 Lightnings, identical 5.4 as every other truck 5.4 but with a different piston. It's not an entire different wing/factory/line where they raptorize anything. It's all done on the exact same assembly line as everything else rolls down, it's cake for them to use a different part here or there and keep it all on the same lines. that's modular motors. And there's nothing special about the Raptor 6.2 vs any other f150 6.2, it's the same in the HD trucks, same in the platinums, same in any f150 available with a 6.2.

Ford isn't bringing the 6.2 back in the Raptor, even as an option. All that would do is completely pull the carpet out on everything they're saying with the 3.5 TT EB for the new Raptor...."if ford says the new 3.5 TT EB is so great why are they bringing back the outdated 6.2?", that's not what they want, they aren't going to do it. They are not going to revamp it to make more output than their flagship new 3.5 ecoboost, that's against everything Ford is building to. And they certainly aren't going to offer it in it's current state with lesser hp, terrible mpg and worse emissions just to lower their CAFE standards to appease a few v8 diehards that prefer a v8 with less power over a v6 TT with more (because again, they aren't going to make the 6.2 lay down more and overshadow the new 3.5 TT).

I'd be more of a chance that they'd offer a 5.0 or 5.2 variant of an ecoboost down the road maybe in an '18 or '19 Raptor as an optional engine, kill 3 birds with one stone....further the ecoboost nameplate, make the v8 diehards happy, and have a ridiculous power plant for a next gen gt500 and optional raptor engine, and still have better mpg than the gas hungry, heavy iron block, outdated 2v, cafe-dragging, 6.2

And it would be nothing for ford to continue the 6.2 in a superduty only line. The 6.8 V10 was always a superduty only line as well. They need to keep one big gas engine for the superduty line for guys who don't have the $8k premium to go diesel, so the 6.2 will stick around even if it's soley for that. I wouldn't be surprised though if in the not so distant future, even that would get replaced and Ford would make an ecoboost gasser the base engine for a superduty. That would also turn the world upside down with a "you can't do that! it'll ruin it!" but if they're so confident in their EB lineup, I could definitely see them doing it. They've already done several of those big changes that everyone said they can't do that, yet they've all been a success so far, so that could very well be the next....

"a 3.5L V6 Ecoboost TT in a GT supercar? You can't do that!"
"a 3.5L V6 Ecoboost TT in a Raptor? You can't do that!"
"a 2.7L V6 Ecoboost in a F150? You can't do that!"
"a 2.4L Ecoboost 4 cylinder in a Mustang? You can't do that!"
"a flat plane crank in a 5.2L V8? You can't do that!"
"a x.xL Ecoboost in a Superduty? You can't do that!"

The 6.2 was a bran new platform that went into the raptor first. There not that old.

 

[WyoStorm]

I would dare say the the majority of us don't want the 3.5l in the Raptor and even less of that minority that will use it mostly for our baja-ish off-roading! Thankfully if a v8 doesn't return there are plenty of gen1 floating around to add another But then I'll throw all this out the window if Ford makes me my Bronco!!

 

[mike.s]

They'll make your Bronco and put a 3.5L EB in it.

 

[Truckzor]

They'll make your Bronco and put a 3.5L EB in it.

Blasphemy.

 

[Yukon Joe]

Well.... looks like we are finally going to get "Engine Swap" threads. Lol....

Yukon Joe
Delta Lead
www.runraptorrun.com

 

[Reptar]

You've done nothing to prove your point. It's worthless trying to have a discussion with someone like you. I don't know what's going to happen. Like I said you might be right and I might be wrong...at least I'm willing to say that.

Keep typing though, I'm having a good time making you look like the arrogant ass hat you are


#whatareicons

Nothing to prove my point? I put up lots of rationale on defending my side of the discussion, you just chose not to read it nor even respond to those portions. You skip over it and reply with "you did nothing to prove your point" lol. Another one I missed from the list

-When you don't have any good rebuttal to their counterpoints, just ignore them all and pretend they said nothing at all and say "you've done nothing to prove your point....because I skipped reading all the areas where you did prove your point"

It's actually worthless having a discussion with you, because rather than try to make counterpoints and add to the discussion, you just go to name calling, spelling correction, or disregarding points made lol. That's actually the arrogant side. I've been listening to your points, and commenting on them with my 2 cents. Can't say the same for the other side. Heck this is already the 3rd time I've asked for a link to the Ford Marine division website.

I didn't even quote modular princess and she bit anyways... Oops!!

Unfortunately, we will still probably hear about the 8 second Harley before this is all over

You're right, you didn't quote me, because I never said what you're claiming and making up lol. I see you're taking notes from the other guy though, no good valid responses, so lets come up with names, modular princess lol, cute

PS, no 8 second Harley truck yet, only runs 9's

What's funny is I was actually liking them until I saw the way that ******* handled his own thread. Then he starts with all this BS and I remembered what a goon the guy is. He's a real people person [emoji108]


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haha yeah suuuuuuure you were. That's an even more lame argument than the 6.2 returning to the gen 2 raptor because a marine 6.2 is called a Raptor 6.2 lol.

"baaawwwww, I wuz gunna buy dose rigid lites, butt cuz dat meanie member dun posteded someding sarkastic and countered my illogikal argument now I'm not gunnna buy from dat other vender dat he got his rigid lites from cuz dat makes sense"

The 6.2 was a bran new platform that went into the raptor first. There not that old.

The 6.2 was actually in works for a looooooong period of time. It was in the works back during the 97-03 trucks as the next replacement powertrain, and just looking at the architecture shows that. An iron block 2v combo just like that era of 4.6 and 5.4 V8's. Same general layout just bigger displacement as the 5.4 was already underpowered at 260 hp. The 6.2 "hurricane" project got put in hold by '05 since Ford was re-working the 5.4 by that point with 3V. It was picked back up again as the Boss 6.2 project, but was always kind of the "ugly duckling" engine compared to the other powertrain lineups in the works between either ecoboost everything, or aluminum block & 4v, with the 6.2 still being an iron block 2v. Still was along far enough to not dump it and fit into the lineup so they continued with it, but it wasn't as "brand new" nor "innovative" as the 5.0 or ecoboost engines.

Yes it made it into the Raptor first in 2010 before other f150's in 2011, but there were still no differences in the engine for the Raptor vs the other f150's.

I would dare say the the majority of us don't want the 3.5l in the Raptor and even less of that minority that will use it mostly for our baja-ish off-roading! Thankfully if a v8 doesn't return there are plenty of gen1 floating around to add another But then I'll throw all this out the window if Ford makes me my Bronco!!

Yeah for now the majority here don't want the 3.5 in the Raptor. Give it 2 years till the gen 2's are out there everywhere and a new swing of members join up with gen 2's. That "majority" won't be so large by then. Happens on every forum, everytime a new gen powertrain comes out.

 

[bstoner59]

Nothing to prove my point? I put up lots of rationale on defending my side of the discussion, you just chose not to read it nor even respond to those portions. You skip over it and reply with "you did nothing to prove your point" lol. Another one I missed from the list



-When you don't have any good rebuttal to their counterpoints, just ignore them all and pretend they said nothing at all and say "you've done nothing to prove your point....because I skipped reading all the areas where you did prove your point"



It's actually worthless having a discussion with you, because rather than try to make counterpoints and add to the discussion, you just go to name calling, spelling correction, or disregarding points made lol. That's actually the arrogant side. I've been listening to your points, and commenting on them with my 2 cents. Can't say the same for the other side. Heck this is already the 3rd time I've asked for a link to the Ford Marine division website.













You're right, you didn't quote me, because I never said what you're claiming and making up lol. I see you're taking notes from the other guy though, no good valid responses, so lets come up with names, modular princess lol, cute



PS, no 8 second Harley truck yet, only runs 9's







haha yeah suuuuuuure you were. That's an even more lame argument than the 6.2 returning to the gen 2 raptor because a marine 6.2 is called a Raptor 6.2 lol.



"baaawwwww, I wuz gunna buy dose rigid lites, butt cuz dat meanie member dun posteded someding sarkastic and countered my illogikal argument now I'm not gunnna buy from dat other vender dat he got his rigid lites from cuz dat makes sense"







The 6.2 was actually in works for a looooooong period of time. It was in the works back during the 97-03 trucks as the next replacement powertrain, and just looking at the architecture shows that. An iron block 2v combo just like that era of 4.6 and 5.4 V8's. Same general layout just bigger displacement as the 5.4 was already underpowered at 260 hp. The 6.2 "hurricane" project got put in hold by '05 since Ford was re-working the 5.4 by that point with 3V. It was picked back up again as the Boss 6.2 project, but was always kind of the "ugly duckling" engine compared to the other powertrain lineups in the works between either ecoboost everything, or aluminum block & 4v, with the 6.2 still being an iron block 2v. Still was along far enough to not dump it and fit into the lineup so they continued with it, but it wasn't as "brand new" nor "innovative" as the 5.0 or ecoboost engines.



Yes it made it into the Raptor first in 2010 before other f150's in 2011, but there were still no differences in the engine for the Raptor vs the other f150's.









Yeah for now the majority here don't want the 3.5 in the Raptor. Give it 2 years till the gen 2's are out there everywhere and a new swing of members join up with gen 2's. That "majority" won't be so large by then. Happens on every forum, everytime a new gen powertrain comes out.

Your opinion isn't proof. No one has proof. While I understand your point and have admitted you may be right, it's not proof.

As a matter of fact I was interested in the battery cables, even that you won't accept without an argument. Bottom line is you come off like an arrogant ******* that is never wrong and you refuse to admit someone might be right and you might be wrong. That type of person is impossible to have a discussion with. That's why you're probably the most ignored person in this forum. Every time you type a response you show it more clearly.


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[Raptizzle]

The third person dialogue from Reptar doesn't come off as unstable at all.

 

[Reptar]

Your opinion isn't proof. No one has proof. While I understand your point and have admitted you may be right, it's not proof.

As a matter of fact I was interested in the battery cables, even that you won't accept without an argument. Bottom line is you come off like an arrogant ******* that is never wrong and you refuse to admit someone might be right and you might be wrong. That type of person is impossible to have a discussion with. That's why you're probably the most ignored person in this forum. Every time you type a response you show it more clearly.


#whatareicons

Never said it was proof, 95% of the stuff on the forums is opinions lol, although I'm still asking for your proof on the Ford Marine Division lol. Anything yet?

And doesn't matter to me if you were interested in Vendor XYZ's cable kit, Vendor ABC's butthurt first aid kit, or Vendor 123's Blinker Fluid replacement lol.

Impossible to have a discussion with? Hmmm, seems I've been the one to actually comment on your discussion points, and have actual counterpoints with reasoning behind them, instead of silly name calling and spelling corrections as rebuttals lol.

Most ignored person on this forum? That's funny you haven't been able to ignore one of my replies yet lol

The third person dialogue from Reptar doesn't come off as unstable at all.

Reptar hasn't posted in 3rd person other than this post here to show how ridiculous talking in 3rd person sounds lol.