Wait list & MSRP issue
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bstoner59
does it come in shmedium?
They are limited volume. Ford sold less than 20,000 in 2014, which was their highest volume year. They don't need to open all their channels to sell through 20,000 and the dealers make good money on it. Let's say the discount is $1,000 and 5,000 people take advantage of an x or a plan...that's $1,000,000 they leave on the table for something that that person was going to buy anyway. While it's probably chump change to Ford, it's still good business sense not to leave money on the table, especially when you don't have any trouble selling through what you make. Ford has more of an issue meeting demand than selling Raptors.
ManfromSnowyRiver
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Guess I got lucky. secured a loan to build a new house so ordering a Raptor is out for about 8-9 months. Good excuse to let the BS cool down.
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Spoke to a completely different Ford dealer yesterday and here's what he said about plans and discounts on raptors:
"For a majority of the time they were available, F150 raptors were ineligible for a/d/x/z plans; however for a short period of time in 2013-2014 they did allow the plan to be used to buy a raptor because of increased production. This isn't necessarily an indicator that they'll allow the plans to be used on the 2017 raptors, but at least there's some hope. If you're eligible for one of the plans and Ford will allow it to be used on the raptor, then you're all set. If not, it was worth looking into anyway."
He continued about production further:
"You're not going to see raptors for some time. While you'll be able to order one, they won't be kicking them off the line until they've ramped up production on the standard F150's. When you're building a new truck [and the 2017 is new with different transmission and other changes] you don't just slam into full production. You begin slow on the most basic model, working the kinks out of the production line. As things progress you add in the expanded options and upgraded trucks. Raptors will be produced once they've worked their way through this process."
Honestly I could care less what month I get my 2017 raptor. Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec - Jan/Feb/Mar/Apr/May 2017... so long as I wind up with an honest dealer who will let me actually place an order at a reasonable price without attempting to gouge the hell out of me, I'm good. The longer I wait, the more likely I'll be purchasing complete cash (hate loans and don't take them if I don't have to). All I want to hear come fall is, "Alright - we've placed your deposit down and officially ordered your 2017 F150 Lightning Blue Raptor."
Oh - one more thing... he said he could "see" the raptor in their system. Exact words where, "there's no pricing, but I can see package names [without description of what's in the packages], and colors. Colors exclusive to the 2017 raptor are the lighting blue (should have read lightning, but his system had it spelled wrong), some kind of metallic silver" I really stopped listening when I heard the blue. Of course it'll be available in that color because it's what they debuted it in at the auto shows, but it still got my heart pumping. The other colors it's going to be available in are already available for other Ford vehicles, but colors I remember him saying, "Avalanche, black, oxford white?, magnetic something, lightning blue..." I think a few more, but my dad-brain is affecting my memory right now.
Best of luck to anyone else thinking of ordering a 2017 raptor. Based on my calling around, I'd avoid any major city where they typically cater to people that have money to literally burn in a fireplace (such as SF) - as those have been the ones that have given me the "well we're going to see who wants to pay the most above MSRP and offer them the ability to order one."
"For a majority of the time they were available, F150 raptors were ineligible for a/d/x/z plans; however for a short period of time in 2013-2014 they did allow the plan to be used to buy a raptor because of increased production. This isn't necessarily an indicator that they'll allow the plans to be used on the 2017 raptors, but at least there's some hope. If you're eligible for one of the plans and Ford will allow it to be used on the raptor, then you're all set. If not, it was worth looking into anyway."
He continued about production further:
"You're not going to see raptors for some time. While you'll be able to order one, they won't be kicking them off the line until they've ramped up production on the standard F150's. When you're building a new truck [and the 2017 is new with different transmission and other changes] you don't just slam into full production. You begin slow on the most basic model, working the kinks out of the production line. As things progress you add in the expanded options and upgraded trucks. Raptors will be produced once they've worked their way through this process."
Honestly I could care less what month I get my 2017 raptor. Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec - Jan/Feb/Mar/Apr/May 2017... so long as I wind up with an honest dealer who will let me actually place an order at a reasonable price without attempting to gouge the hell out of me, I'm good. The longer I wait, the more likely I'll be purchasing complete cash (hate loans and don't take them if I don't have to). All I want to hear come fall is, "Alright - we've placed your deposit down and officially ordered your 2017 F150 Lightning Blue Raptor."
Oh - one more thing... he said he could "see" the raptor in their system. Exact words where, "there's no pricing, but I can see package names [without description of what's in the packages], and colors. Colors exclusive to the 2017 raptor are the lighting blue (should have read lightning, but his system had it spelled wrong), some kind of metallic silver" I really stopped listening when I heard the blue. Of course it'll be available in that color because it's what they debuted it in at the auto shows, but it still got my heart pumping. The other colors it's going to be available in are already available for other Ford vehicles, but colors I remember him saying, "Avalanche, black, oxford white?, magnetic something, lightning blue..." I think a few more, but my dad-brain is affecting my memory right now.
Best of luck to anyone else thinking of ordering a 2017 raptor. Based on my calling around, I'd avoid any major city where they typically cater to people that have money to literally burn in a fireplace (such as SF) - as those have been the ones that have given me the "well we're going to see who wants to pay the most above MSRP and offer them the ability to order one."
bstoner59
does it come in shmedium?
I think it's been confirmed that the SCabs will be available first and the SCrews around the beginning of 2017? That would fall in line with what the dealer said.
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Raptor911
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6 post means you are new and have not wade through all the BS on this site to get to real info. BTW ... Colors for the 2017 Raptor has already been released.
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6 post means you are new and have not wade through all the BS on this site to get to real info. BTW ... Colors for the 2017 Raptor has already been released.
Thank you for that! And yes, I'm very new. Been lurking for quite some time, but never posted.
RaptorCoastie
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Thank you for that! And yes, I'm very new. Been lurking for quite some time, but never posted.
Turtle. You should read this. http://www.fordraptorforum.com/f260/complete-gen-2-raptor-information-thread-47473/
Has the most up to date information that's "official"
Also, it has not been confirmed yet the order in which the trucks will release. So far, the only official information is that both models will be available in Fall 2016 as a 2017 model (Correct me if I'm wrong and new info has come out).
First post here but i've been following the forum for some time now.
I started inquiring on some local dealers. I know they don't have any specific details in regards to the Gen 2 that is not already on this forum but I was trying to figure out how they were going to handle wait lists, pricing, and orders. I was put on a contact list for two of the dealers once more info comes out and another one said they aren't doing a list because they were only allocated 2. They also said in the past they sold them between 8 and 10K above MSRP and my best bet is to place the order asap because there is no guarantee that there will be a 2018.
From what i've read here, individual orders do not count towards the dealer allocations. Does this dealer just not know what they're talking about or am I missing something?
I started inquiring on some local dealers. I know they don't have any specific details in regards to the Gen 2 that is not already on this forum but I was trying to figure out how they were going to handle wait lists, pricing, and orders. I was put on a contact list for two of the dealers once more info comes out and another one said they aren't doing a list because they were only allocated 2. They also said in the past they sold them between 8 and 10K above MSRP and my best bet is to place the order asap because there is no guarantee that there will be a 2018.
From what i've read here, individual orders do not count towards the dealer allocations. Does this dealer just not know what they're talking about or am I missing something?
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