TRX engine is already on its way out?

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melvimbe

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So FCA is chasing Ford. Tell me again why Ford decided to chase FCA? Is this a circle jerk or what?

It's not about chasing each other so much is it being about having to meet conflicting goals with their vehicles. Manufacturers have to meet CAFE standards set by government and the vocal minority while trying to sell vehicles to the people who actually buy them.
 

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its been pretty well known that increased mileage for CAFE standards would ultimately become unaffordable if they kept sticking Hellcat motors in everything so they've done a fantastic job of cashing in while they can.

Ford has the development costs already sunk into the predator motor so why not stick it in the Raptor R for a year or two and milk that cash cow. Then it'll be back to small displacement and incoming hybrid/electric setups.
 

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Every once in a while Ford wants to remind their competition just because they don’t do something all the time doesn’t mean they can’t.

even subtle people every once in a while have to put the loud mouths in their place to show them where they really stand.

when I used to own a Dodge Viper every high school kid in their 4 banger wanted a piece of it. I would usually just look at them and laugh. But every once in a while I had to put them in their place.
 

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back in racing school 20+ years ago they were turbo charged 2.6 liter cars.

i too believe the v8 is here to stay, for at least a while. there will always be the need to tow heavy equipment. and while the turbos are great for making power, the downside is the heat generated. imagine a turbo v6 towing a large load uphill for a couple miles with the turbo spooling the whole time to generate the power needed. the amount of heat would be insane. while diesels are the main towing trucks, there will always be those people and companies that dont want diesel. so i see the v8 sticking around

The V8 will be around for a long time in the heavy duty lineups.

I think in cars/light duty they will be phased out sooner, but I think at that point the ICE engine will be slowly being phased out by electric.
 

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It's a sign of the times and it's been known for a long time, al vehicles will be carbon free in the next couple of decades, there will still be hot rodders and car shows, so no worries, can still see and hear the rumbles of a v8.

wont be carbon free until the grid that charges em is carbon free & until the battery’s that power em can actually be recycled in a closed loop process, & don’t result in hazardous waste during the mining/refining & “recycling” phases of their life-cycle.

until then, merely a cute parlor trick on the woke public, & a helluva cool luxury product from mr Elon musk

yes- a luxury product- b/c until you can drive @ free random wherever you’d like w/o concern for fuel (or even better- until you can bring a “can-o-electricity” along w/ ya just in case), until the full charge times resemble anything close to the time it takes to fuel even the biggest diesel trucks on the road today (imagine the lines @ the charging stations if even 50% of vehicles were were EV, if we had even 500% more charging stations there still wouldn’t be enough to appease the motoring public & even if a full charge could be done in 20-25 mins....when you add it all up its a MASSIVE amount of both time & infrastructure that would need to happen @ a crazy rapid pace to even accomplish the #s I just threw out there & those #s still wouldn’t equate to what we already have w/ ICE fueling time/stations available)

And sure. You can charge @ home (make sure every household has a 200 amp service & proper outlet for it- oh & don’t forget to plug in or miss that morning meeting!)- but at this point Elon himself would tell ya, the grid would simply go “KABOOM” if 50% of all households were charging EVs all day every day, forget about 60-70%+

until we build/upgradea whole new renewable + non-renewable + NUCLEAR hybrid power grid for the country

until you can trust that an EV will perform equally or better (haha) than an ICE in both extreme heat/cold

until they don’t have to turn themselves on to either cool down in a hot parking lot or warm up battery in extreme cold- either way you’re losing range regardless all day every day

until there’s a reasonable amount of independent repair shops that’ll even touch an EV (that mental image of all the ******** waiting in mile long lines for their EVs to charge....x1000 for the backup @ the Tesla/rivian/nikola/fisker dealers )

a Tesla is a cool luxury product, not a do anything reliable family/work daily driver


until all of this starts coming to fruition, EVs are just like Bitcoin- a lot of hype w/ a lil substance

will be more to come for sure, but the sheer magnitude of issues that need to be tackled for them to ever account for the majority of vehicles on the road is truly significant
 

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wont be carbon free until the grid that charges em is carbon free & until the battery’s that power em can actually be recycled in a closed loop process, & don’t result in hazardous waste during the mining/refining & “recycling” phases of their life-cycle.

until then, merely a cute parlor trick on the woke public, & a helluva cool luxury product from mr Elon musk

yes- a luxury product- b/c until you can drive @ free random wherever you’d like w/o concern for fuel (or even better- until you can bring a “can-o-electricity” along w/ ya just in case), until the full charge times resemble anything close to the time it takes to fuel even the biggest diesel trucks on the road today (imagine the lines @ the charging stations if even 50% of vehicles were were EV, if we had even 500% more charging stations there still wouldn’t be enough to appease the motoring public & even if a full charge could be done in 20-25 mins....when you add it all up its a MASSIVE amount of both time & infrastructure that would need to happen @ a crazy rapid pace to even accomplish the #s I just threw out there & those #s still wouldn’t equate to what we already have w/ ICE fueling time/stations available)

And sure. You can charge @ home (make sure every household has a 200 amp service & proper outlet for it- oh & don’t forget to plug in or miss that morning meeting!)- but at this point Elon himself would tell ya, the grid would simply go “KABOOM” if 50% of all households were charging EVs all day every day, forget about 60-70%+

until we build/upgradea whole new renewable + non-renewable + NUCLEAR hybrid power grid for the country

until you can trust that an EV will perform equally or better (haha) than an ICE in both extreme heat/cold

until they don’t have to turn themselves on to either cool down in a hot parking lot or warm up battery in extreme cold- either way you’re losing range regardless all day every day

until there’s a reasonable amount of independent repair shops that’ll even touch an EV (that mental image of all the ******** waiting in mile long lines for their EVs to charge....x1000 for the backup @ the Tesla/rivian/nikola/fisker dealers )

a Tesla is a cool luxury product, not a do anything reliable family/work daily driver


until all of this starts coming to fruition, EVs are just like Bitcoin- a lot of hype w/ a lil substance

will be more to come for sure, but the sheer magnitude of issues that need to be tackled for them to ever account for the majority of vehicles on the road is truly significant
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