TRX engine is already on its way out?

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Considering I'm in the business of making aluminum......predominantly cast alloys...for the auto industry I'm actively motivated to spread the truth about EVs lol

But for sure - those are the facts, but people like to get caught up in the "emotion" or "idea" of something these days & are far less concerned w/ how things actually work out in real life practice or considering all the inputs along the way needed to get you there too

hence why politicians would actually consider applauding a movement to "defund the police" while simultaneously opening our borders, creating sanctuary city/state laws wherever possible, & decriminalizing all illicit drugs. Add that all up. Sure, we won't have any problems lol.........

And while EV's keep getting shoved down our throats, meabwhile CARDI-B happens to be the FIRST person to have "interviewed" biden when he was nominated, & gets her tune "W.A.P." to be nominated song of the year & yet here we have Dr. MF'n SEUS books being permanent banned

As I type this out it seems like a false reality- but nope - we live in crazy land & the idiots steering the ship & guzzling the kool aid are the same ones who will tell you you're an A-hole for driving a Raptor while their Chevy Volt sucks down electricity generated from post-municipal incinerator plants, coal, natty gas, etc.
 

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Considering I'm in the business of making aluminum......predominantly cast alloys...for the auto industry I'm actively motivated to spread the truth about EVs lol

But for sure - those are the facts, but people like to get caught up in the "emotion" or "idea" of something these days & are far less concerned w/ how things actually work out in real life practice or considering all the inputs along the way needed to get you there too

hence why politicians would actually consider applauding a movement to "defund the police" while simultaneously opening our borders, creating sanctuary city/state laws wherever possible, & decriminalizing all illicit drugs. Add that all up. Sure, we won't have any problems lol.........

And while EV's keep getting shoved down our throats, meabwhile CARDI-B happens to be the FIRST person to have "interviewed" biden when he was nominated, & gets her tune "W.A.P." to be nominated song of the year & yet here we have Dr. MF'n SEUS books being permanent banned

As I type this out it seems like a false reality- but nope - we live in crazy land & the idiots steering the ship & guzzling the kool aid are the same ones who will tell you you're an A-hole for driving a Raptor while their Chevy Volt sucks down electricity generated from post-municipal incinerator plants, coal, natty gas, etc.
You got a little side tracked there, lol, we've all seen the big fat tree huggers giving us a dirty look with our loud exhaust as we drive past them on the right as they are hugging the fast lane. The infrastructure is being built up here in Canada just as fast as the electric charging cars are being built, we have rest stops with charging stations on all our major routes. I don't have one yet, but I know I will get one eventually and I wouldn't if gas was still $1 a gallon., not that I will get rid of my raptor or gas guzzling muscle car, but they will not be daily drivers either. You are right, the electric cars are getting rammed down our throats and "you will comply"!
 

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You got a little side tracked there, lol, we've all seen the big fat tree huggers giving us a dirty look with our loud exhaust as we drive past them on the right as they are hugging the fast lane. The infrastructure is being built up here in Canada just as fast as the electric charging cars are being built, we have rest stops with charging stations on all our major routes. I don't have one yet, but I know I will get one eventually and I wouldn't if gas was still $1 a gallon., not that I will get rid of my raptor or gas guzzling muscle car, but they will not be daily drivers either. You are right, the electric cars are getting rammed down our throats and "you will comply"!

And what gets my goat is that when I run through the list of tree-huggers that I know personally, every freaking one of them owns a full-sized pickup. But they vote like they want us all on foot. Insane only begins to describe it.
 

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back in racing school 20+ years ago they were turbo charged 2.6 liter cars.

i too believe the v8 is here to stay, for at least a while. there will always be the need to tow heavy equipment. and while the turbos are great for making power, the downside is the heat generated. imagine a turbo v6 towing a large load uphill for a couple miles with the turbo spooling the whole time to generate the power needed. the amount of heat would be insane. while diesels are the main towing trucks, there will always be those people and companies that dont want diesel. so i see the v8 sticking around

I don't entirely disagree but was surprised at your apparent lack of experience/knowledge about towing with a turbo. A lot of Diesels use turbos. On the Raptor there is this little gem
and I just returned from a 2k mile trip towing a trailer over the rocky mountain range. No drama whatsoever. Not sure why you think turbos produce to much heat to tow? Your general opinion that there are those that will always want a v8 I agree with though.
 

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I don't entirely disagree but was surprised at your apparent lack of experience/knowledge about towing with a turbo. A lot of Diesels use turbos. On the Raptor there is this little gem
and I just returned from a 2k mile trip towing a trailer over the rocky mountain range. No drama whatsoever. Not sure why you think turbos produce to much heat to tow? Your general opinion that there are those that will always want a v8 I agree with though.
im talking heavy loads. not a small trailer or boat. but tractor for example. you see all these trucks hauling farm equipment. close to 20-30k lbs. almost semi truck status. i could be wrong, but trying to tow loads like that with gas engine (not specifically an f150) with turbos i would think the heat buildup would be insane going up large grades. something a diesel truck would be more likely be towing, but they are a different engine. however i think if a diesel truck wasnt the vehicle, a smaller engine with turbo wouldnt be a good option, but rather a larger v8 engine with the power and torque thats available without being in the boost band all the time. like i said, i could be wrong, i havent had a turbo since 06.
 
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im talking heavy loads. not a small trailer or boat. but tractor for example. you see all these trucks hauling farm equipment. close to 20-30k lbs. almost semi truck status. i could be wrong, but trying to tow loads like that with gas engine (not specifically an f150) with turbos i would think the heat buildup would be insane going up large grades. something a diesel truck would be more likely be towing, but they are a different engine. however i think if a diesel truck wasnt the vehicle, a smaller engine with turbo wouldnt be a good option, but rather a larger v8 engine with the power and torque thats available without being in the boost band all the time. like i said, i could be wrong, i havent had a turbo since 06.

huh? You don’t use a gas fed ICE to
Power a truck designed to pull 30k lbs for the same reason you don’t hit off the tee w/ a damn putter- it’s the wrong tool for the job!!

And gas V8s can be setup to run cool, but even n/a AL block V8s are plenty susceptible to heat soak issues

diesels in a nutshell will be more efficient than a gas engine- they can & do run higher compression, while they’ll have considerably higher temps INSIDE the combustion chamber, one of the reasons they’re more efficient than a comparable gas engine is that that additional thermal energy is scavenged & utilizes the additional heat for mechanical work- they run significantly cooler OUTSIDE the combustion chamber as a result, why the exhaust is much cooler in a diesel

Diesel engines tend to have stronger forged iron blocks (and we see even modern gas V8 engines still employ FE block for the same reason if they’re going to be under heavy loads regularly- ie: 7.3 “godzilla”- but that adds weight too, & loses payload/towing/fuel efficiency as a result (in a gas engine that is)

the turbos on a diesel are neither spooling as often or as fast as typical gas turbo vehicle & they also benefit from the cooler running characteristic of a Diesel engine (what drives those turbos btw?)

Also most twin turbo setups are designed so that one turbo handles the power down low & the other @ higher revs splitting duties, adding efficiency & basically eliminating turbo lag

you could make a giant N/A engine capable of producing turbo diesel power w/o FI....but it’d be laughably inefficient, a struggle to keep cool in its own right due to sheer size, & very expensive to produce. In order to get that kinda power out of a N/A V8 to make 400-500hp & 1000 ft/lbs reliably would need a lot of billet/forged internals. A heavy as hell rotating assembly. Probably need to run methanol today keep it from knocking/cool

hell in order to have a gas engine make that kinda power reliably w/o FI & w/o an FE block you’d probably need a billet aluminum block & that cost per unit would be insane.
 

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huh? You don’t use a gas fed ICE to
Power a truck designed to pull 30k lbs for the same reason you don’t hit off the tee w/ a damn putter- it’s the wrong tool for the job!!

And gas V8s can be setup to run cool, but even n/a AL block V8s are plenty susceptible to heat soak issues

diesels in a nutshell will be more efficient than a gas engine- they can & do run higher compression, while they’ll have considerably higher temps INSIDE the combustion chamber, one of the reasons they’re more efficient than a comparable gas engine is that that additional thermal energy is scavenged & utilizes the additional heat for mechanical work- they run significantly cooler OUTSIDE the combustion chamber as a result, why the exhaust is much cooler in a diesel

Diesel engines tend to have stronger forged iron blocks (and we see even modern gas V8 engines still employ FE block for the same reason if they’re going to be under heavy loads regularly- ie: 7.3 “godzilla”- but that adds weight too, & loses payload/towing/fuel efficiency as a result (in a gas engine that is)

the turbos on a diesel are neither spooling as often or as fast as typical gas turbo vehicle & they also benefit from the cooler running characteristic of a Diesel engine (what drives those turbos btw?)

Also most twin turbo setups are designed so that one turbo handles the power down low & the other @ higher revs splitting duties, adding efficiency & basically eliminating turbo lag

you could make a giant N/A engine capable of producing turbo diesel power w/o FI....but it’d be laughably inefficient, a struggle to keep cool in its own right due to sheer size, & very expensive to produce. In order to get that kinda power out of a N/A V8 to make 400-500hp & 1000 ft/lbs reliably would need a lot of billet/forged internals. A heavy as hell rotating assembly. Probably need to run methanol today keep it from knocking/cool

hell in order to have a gas engine make that kinda power reliably w/o FI & w/o an FE block you’d probably need a billet aluminum block & that cost per unit would be insane.
im just a driver and an audio guy. thanks for the info.
 

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im just a driver and an audio guy. thanks for the info.

man I’m still learning as I’m
Going in the car world myself - & I’m only a novice when it comes to diesels...that being said, while they both have their positives & negatives, I too am partial to a nice N/A V8 setup....but it’s just too damn tempting to throw a blower on em hahaha
 

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They haven't yet. I've seen all this hype from Ford before about a big bad powerful v8 and then it gets squashed. I will believe the R will be more powerful when I see it. I don't live my life wishing on fairy tales. It will be a limited market if it makes it to the assembly line and my pockets are deep enough for that.
Whats FCA ??
 

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the turbos on a diesel are neither spooling as often or as fast as typical gas turbo vehicle

Yeah, you’re dead nuts wrong on this. With a diesel, (and I’m assuming we’re talking 3/4 ton-Class 8 here) ,if you are using the truck for its intended purpose, the turbocharger is almost always online, and it’s pushing much more boost than any gas engine.
 
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