The 2017 Eco-Boost vs V8 Bench Racing / Whining thread

[MagicMtnDan]

Again offroad raptors make up maybe 5% of the total ownership and of that 5% maybe 20% are active in the dirt.

So ford made a truck that meets the larger market share.

So, you're saying Ford, who has produced and sold the most capable off road factory truck ever made and continuing it into Gen 2, of "making a truck that meets the larger market share."

As a Raptor owner you're talking out of both sides of your mouth or elsewhere. Minimizing what Ford has done (with technology, durability and taking risks by offering the truck) with Gen 1, and is going to do with Gen 2, makes your post perhaps the dumbest in the history of this website.

But I'm sure you were happy to read this article about the 6.2L motor coming back to the 2017 Raptor:
Ford Bringing Back 6.2L V8 to 2017 Raptor! - Ford-Trucks.com

(check the date)

 

[Jimbo]

So, you're saying Ford, who has produced and sold the most capable off road factory truck ever made and continuing it into Gen 2, of "making a truck that meets the larger market share."

As a Raptor owner you're talking out of both sides of your mouth or elsewhere. Minimizing what Ford has done (with technology, durability and taking risks by offering the truck) with Gen 1, and is going to do with Gen 2, makes your post perhaps the dumbest in the history of this website.

But I'm sure you were happy to read this article about the 6.2L motor coming back to the 2017 Raptor:
Ford Bringing Back 6.2L V8 to 2017 Raptor! - Ford-Trucks.com

(check the date)

He was right. Ford had huge success with the Raptor, why not make it more appealing across a wider target market and make even more money?

 

[m3dragon]

So, you're saying Ford, who has produced and sold the most capable off road factory truck ever made and continuing it into Gen 2, of "making a truck that meets the larger market share."

As a Raptor owner you're talking out of both sides of your mouth or elsewhere. Minimizing what Ford has done (with technology, durability and taking risks by offering the truck) with Gen 1, and is going to do with Gen 2, makes your post perhaps the dumbest in the history of this website.

Hold on their hotrod. Why are you getting your attack on. Not fighting you here on if you want a gen 2. I am just pointing out gen 2 ownership above will not be lolipop and gummy bears based on what we know now of other brands and direct injection motors. Also my numbers were just for argument sake, forgot to note that as we have no real clue. Bump all by 5% does that make you happy.

Not sure how it is in SoCal but around here many of us have talked to raptor owners we happen to see and the common response is "hell no I will never go offroad". That is a 9 in 10 reply around here. Now multiple that to areas like Midwest and back east that have NO desert I am safe to say I can assume that my numbers are pretty correct.

Most raptors are street queens as are most trucks. Not arguing that fact. However this forum is for the owners of the trucks and the small percentage that actually go offroading where ever they are.

I asked Zen if he has thought about the pit falls of a direct injection TT more in the dirt and the issues that can have. He says he has and wants to see what ford does. (hat tip and we move on). Your in his boat so no need to get all angry about real questions and facts.

New raptor is meant for a larger market that is not dirt. Look at all the car brands not just the raptor. Sell to the mass market with money, not the enthusiasts. Now can we continue or you want to get angry again and say my post is dumb when trends show you to be wrong.

 

[Jimbo]

Hold on their hotrod. Why are you getting your attack on. Not fighting you here on if you want a gen 2. I am just pointing out gen 2 ownership above will not be lolipop and gummy bears based on what we know now of other brands and direct injection motors.

Not sure how it is in SoCal but around here many of us have talked to raptor owners we happen to see and the common response is "hell no I will never go offroad". That is a 9 in 10 reply around here. Now multiple that to areas like Midwest and back east that have NO desert I am safe to say I can assume that my numbers are pretty correct.

Most raptors are street queens as are most trucks. Not arguing that fact. However this forum is for the owners of the trucks and the small percentage that actually go offroading where ever they are.

I asked Zen if he has thought about the pit falls of a direct injection TT more in the dirt and the issues that can have. He says he has and wants to see what ford does. (hat tip and we move on). Your in his boat so no need to get all angry about real questions and facts.

New raptor is meant for a larger market that is not dirt. Look at all the car brands not just the raptor. Sell to the mass market with money, not the enthusiasts. Now can we continue or you want to get angry again and say my post is dumb when trends show you to be wrong.

you're dumb

 

[ZaneMasterX]

Hold on their hotrod. Why are you getting your attack on. Not fighting you here on if you want a gen 2. I am just pointing out gen 2 ownership above will not be lolipop and gummy bears based on what we know now of other brands and direct injection motors. Also my numbers were just for argument sake, forgot to note that as we have no real clue. Bump all by 5% does that make you happy.

Not sure how it is in SoCal but around here many of us have talked to raptor owners we happen to see and the common response is "hell no I will never go offroad". That is a 9 in 10 reply around here. Now multiple that to areas like Midwest and back east that have NO desert I am safe to say I can assume that my numbers are pretty correct.

Most raptors are street queens as are most trucks. Not arguing that fact. However this forum is for the owners of the trucks and the small percentage that actually go offroading where ever they are.

I asked Zen if he has thought about the pit falls of a direct injection TT more in the dirt and the issues that can have. He says he has and wants to see what ford does. (hat tip and we move on). Your in his boat so no need to get all angry about real questions and facts.

New raptor is meant for a larger market that is not dirt. Look at all the car brands not just the raptor. Sell to the mass market with money, not the enthusiasts. Now can we continue or you want to get angry again and say my post is dumb when trends show you to be wrong.

He does have a point. The "luxury truck market" is exploding right now and if someone with lots of money wants the biggest and baddest they are going with the Raptor. I see more high end trucks (Denali, Ford Platnium, Raptor Chevy High Country LTZ) at the golf coarse than any other type of vehicle. None of these guys will ever take their trucks somewhere where it might get ruffed up. They are all about the status symbol and maybe for hauling a couple 2x4s from Home Depot so his wife can do a pinterest project.

He isnt wrong in saying Ford may be gearing the Gen 2 to satisfy the luxury truck buyers just so they can cash in on a secondary market.

Edit: I actually dated a girl whose father is a host of a very popular outdoor show on the sportsman channel and him and his buddies where the "nice truck that will never see offroad use crowd". One time we were moving his daughter (my gf) into a new house for college and we scratched his bed with a dryer and he flipped his shit. He promptly took it to a body shop to be repainted. It blew my mind but those guys are out there and there are a lot of them.

 

[m3dragon]

you're dumb

You suck BMW tail pipes...

 

[Jimbo]

You suck BMW tail pipes...

at least it's not Jeep tail pipes!

 

[The Car Stereo Company]

its not so much that a turbo doesnt work well offroad. its following somebody offroad. driving offroad and following somebody offroad are 2 different things. driving offroad, you got a free and clear path for clean air. follow somebody and you are sucking in that dust. thats where i see a turbo causing problems

 

[Nv Guy]

its not so much that a turbo doesnt work well offroad. its following somebody offroad. driving offroad and following somebody offroad are 2 different things. driving offroad, you got a free and clear path for clean air. follow somebody and you are sucking in that dust. thats where i see a turbo causing problems

100% of construction equipment is diesel, and a large percentage are turboed, so the operating in a dusty / dirty environment isn't a big concern....The air filter technology is there and proven.
Now if you're one of those guys who NEVER cleans his air filter & needs a shovel to get all the dirt out of the airbox...that's a different story.

Where we will have issues is when the aftermarket gets going with poorly designed "cold air" kits and other stuff like that.

 

[2014RubyRed]

Construction equipment needs to stop being talked about here when comparing to the V6TT. Construction equipment, turbo or not, have HUGE air filters, pre filters, intercoolers, radiators, etc. The area allotted for these systems are a big reason these machines are so damn big.

So, moving on, I owned a Platinum with the V6TT. It was a great truck. It hauled heavy loads. And, it hauled ass on the road. The only time I took it off road was in Colorado. And I took it to some pretty remote areas. It struggled. It go hot. I worried the whole time I was there about burning up one or both of the turbos. The oil looked like crude when I pulled the dipstick at 1000 miles on the oil change. The heat these things generate is crazy. I really feel that the low speed, high torque, real world off roading is going to chew these engines up and spit them out.

Someone made the comment that if a turbo goes out that it's going to be a fairly cheap fix. Wrong. These little bastards are super expensive and super expensive to modify. Sure, a tune is going to spark additional life into the truck, but I just can't get past the heat issues associated with off roading. Once that intercooler fills up with dust or mud, it's only a matter of time before the heat issues show up. Ever wonder why on construction equipment that the radiators are mounted super high up or even on the top of the machine? I don't see Ford mounting these in the bed like a trophy truck.

So, as I mentioned before, I'm looking forward to the first of us 5%ers to take one out and run the **** out of it at a 2015 TRR - type run. Our trucks were covered in mud and dust for 3 days and then we drove them home (over a 1000 miles for me). Then we can all either look like heros or zeros when the thing performs perfectly or ends up on the back of a tow truck. But, let's quit talking about and comparing these engines to construction equipment. It's a truck. And that's what most of us are talking about.

Just my $.02.......