GEN 2 Stock 2019, need suggestions on suspension upgrade

[Hdaniel85]

Depends on money you have to burn! Fox 3.0's new midtravel kits, bumpstops. It won't end. Keep it stock

My wife thinks I only have 3 guns

I would hope money was no object here but it is! The good news is that I have a great job and am pretty good about saving up for the things I want. I will keep the suspension stock for now and look into upgrading the leaf springs for overlanding travel

 

[Bowewelding]

Joshua tree?? Where the hell is that?? Haha j/k..that where I live..I have the stock ride height deaver rear spring..helped a ton with the wheel hop and jittery feel!!! Also put the eibach coil on the front but that really showed the soft rebound valveing!! Also pulled the sway bar off!! In time i will put the kings on it for the adjustability! The foxes use drilled bypass holes so theres not much u can do to slow down the rebound valveing..the +3 deaver would probably be my choice if i had a rack and truck top tent..

 

[sixshooter_45]

Joshua tree?? Where the hell is that?? Haha j/k..that where I live..I have the stock ride height deaver rear spring..helped a ton with the wheel hop and jittery feel!!! Also put the eibach coil on the front but that really showed the soft rebound valveing!! Also pulled the sway bar off!! In time i will put the kings on it for the adjustability! The foxes use drilled bypass holes so theres not much u can do to slow down the rebound valveing..the +3 deaver would probably be my choice if i had a rack and truck top tent..

Do you think Geiser springs would have worked better now that you tried Eibachs?

 

[ZackZ]

Thank you! I keep seeing +3 or +4 for the leaf springs from Deaver, what does this equate to? Is it a better ride or does it make the rear end sit up a little higher vs sag from the heavier weight added to the bed?

For deaver, +3 eliminates the factory lift block and adds 1 inch of height over stock. +4 will eliminate the lift block and add 2 inches of height over stock. Just depends on how much weight you will have in or on the bed. A drop shackle will usually drop your rear height by about an inch depending on brand. Deaver also makes an HD leaf pack that’s able to handle more weight.

 

[Bowewelding]

I always wondered how the geiser springs felt. But either way when you adjust your spring rate, most commonly you would adjust the valveing somewhere. So the foxes are just hard to deal with there design..they use holes in the inner body to bypass the fluid around the piston..I like kings idea of the double piston and the rod to close off the shaft..problem is they're 1500 a piece..

 

[sixshooter_45]

I always wondered how the geiser springs felt. But either way when you adjust your spring rate, most commonly you would adjust the valveing somewhere. So the foxes are just hard to deal with there design..they use holes in the inner body to bypass the fluid around the piston..I like kings idea of the double piston and the rod to close off the shaft..problem is they're 1500 a piece..

So is the reaction of the stock shocks terrible or just a little slow?

Found this about rebound valveing on the net.
"Softer valving slows the reaction of the shock"

I suppose a Suspension Reset wouldn't help since it won't affect the valveing.

From another thread:
There’s no simple way to mechanically adjust the little arms on the sending units. They aren’t on a spline.

On another thread a guy went to Ford and they zeroed his front suspension on the computer. I’ll do that tomorrow and see if it improves further.

Here's the Thread:
https://www.fordraptorforum.com/threads/‘19-with-2-5”-lift-now-rides-horrid.71643/page-2

 

[Bowewelding]

I'd say it too fast of a rebound valve or I guess soft..stiffer rebound valve would make it come out slower

 

[Bowewelding]

But like stated before with the design of foxes internal bypass, theres not much we can do to get the rebound valveing stiffer.. the loose rebound works good for hauling ass In close whoops but I dont drive it like that everyday..

 

[sixshooter_45]

I'd say it too fast of a rebound valve or I guess soft..stiffer rebound valve would make it come out slower

You might have it backwards, I'm certainly no expert but this is what I found doing a search on Google.

"In general, rebound damping controls how fast weight leaves a tire while bump controls how fast weight goes onto a tire. Stiffer valving causes a shock to react more quickly. Softer valving slows the reaction of the shock. Stiffer valving gets the load to change more quickly."

I don't know if you read that thread but he was claiming to have Ford recalibrate the shocks which could adjust valveing.

Not sure if this is correct information but it was stated similar to the above.

I appreciate your feedback.

 

[Bowewelding]

A stiffer valve is not going to let a shock react quicker..that just doesn't make sence..open up a shock and you'll realize what's going on inside them. Reason I bought the truck was to adjust the shocks to my style of driving..I was bummed to find out that those foxes are kinda stuck the way they are. I also am no expert but I have been playing with my own shocks for a while now.. when you replace shock shims with thicker or stiffer ones it makes it either harder to go in "bump" or slower to come out "rebound"..the stock compression stack was " double stacked" so I took all the doubles out and now I have a slighty softer compression stroke, which for me helped..I'm not pounding on the thing daily, I commute down dirt roads alot so I wanted a little bit softer less jittery ride.. but fox pretty much free bleeds there rebound stroke so messing with the shims didnt show as much as I would of liked