Should I give up my Raptor?

[Truckasaurus]

Your opinion would be less jaundiced if you’ve ever owned a Ducati or bmw. Then, you would truly understand the meaning of the word unreliable.

Just because it could be worse doesn't mean it isn't bad.

You guys are aware that warranty costs are one of the issues that are really hurting Ford, right? This is really happening...

https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/ford-loses-17b-q4-pension-charge-stock-slumps

 

[Truckasaurus]

Side note: both Ducati and BMW sell their vehicles at SIGNIFICANTLY higher gross margins than Ford. They can afford outsized warranty costs and still survive. Ford cannot. Thus, Ford cannot be compared to a specialty motorcycle manufacturer and/or a high end auto manufacturer. Ford's bread and butter is trucks and basic transportation. Trucks, in particular, are expected to do work reliably. And to be durable (to last a long time).

An F-150 has absolutely nothing in common with a Ducati or a BMW. They are different vehicles for different markets and different market participants. No one buys a BMW or Ducati looking to do work. And no one buys a BMW or Ducati who is looking for the low cost option or who is on a tight budget.

 

[BobbyVA]

Thanks again for all the advice! You guys rock!

The thing making me hesitant to do a buyback is that I already bought clear bra, a ceramic coat, Rino liner, BD lights, new wheels and a lengthy install of a 2 channel dash cam. It’s probably still less than the depreciation but by how much I don’t know. At least some things could be removed.

i told my lawyer I would decide by Monday And my Raptor is still in the shop so it’s gonna be a long weekend.

I went to dodge and drove a Powerwagon. I’m no Ford guy but it doesn’t appear to be anywhere near a Raptor, especially with it’s mini tires and 11MPG by some reports.

I definitely agree that there is a lot of sample bias as people have mentioned - those who don’t have issues aren’t on here complaining. However, I am on many automotive forums and there seems to be many more complaints here. That combined with investor disclosures of rising warranty costs eating away at profit leads me to believe that Ford is subpar. Also, many of my issues are unrelated (mirror motor, adaptive cruise control, short in the door locks, etc.) Further, when the computer freaks out after the warranty expires, you have no chance of fixing the problem yourself. It’s simply too complicated.

I think I’m pretty objective, never been a fan of any one manufacturer but I have to say, if they just increased reliability, the Ford Raptor would be the best vehicle of our time! Plenty of off-road capability, super comfortable, practical for hauling cargo/friends/family, good MPG’a, great looks, and plenty of power! Looking at the competition this week as made this more clear than ever before!!

I might just end up with a Rubicon diesel... sigh

I would agree with you, I am on BMW and Audi Forums (own both) and not nearly as many complaints. Sure each model may have one specific problem that plagues a certain model.

The Ford Raptor has an almost cult following (I get it I loved my Gen 1 and wish I didn’t sell it) but that loyalty shouldn’t force people to ignore/ accept the multiple issues this truck appears to be having. Speaking negatively about this truck is blasphemous to some. I don’t get it, if something is wrong voice your opinion. Let ford read your comments and hope they make adjustments. Criticizing the truck isn’t criticizing the individual who bought it so people shouldn’t take offense. We al like the Raptor which is why we are here.

With the lack of options/competitors it’s Raptor or bust at this point.


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[smurfslayer]

Side note: both Ducati and BMW sell their vehicles at SIGNIFICANTLY higher gross margins than Ford. They can afford outsized warranty costs and still survive. Ford cannot. Thus, Ford cannot be compared to a specialty motorcycle manufacturer and/or a high end auto manufacturer. Ford's bread and butter is trucks and basic transportation. Trucks, in particular, are expected to do work reliably. And to be durable (to last a long time).

An F-150 has absolutely nothing in common with a Ducati or a BMW. They are different vehicles for different markets and different market participants. No one buys a BMW or Ducati looking to do work. And no one buys a BMW or Ducati who is looking for the low cost option or who is on a tight budget.

this is what I said:

Your opinion would be less jaundiced if you’ve ever owned a Ducati or bmw. Then, you would truly understand the meaning of the word unreliable.

I didn’t compare the 3 marques, I said that experience with the other 2, less reliable and prone to some seriously spectacular, life threatening failures would impart a deeper understanding of the word unreliable.

Actually, EVERY Ducati forum has a post something along the lines of ‘is a Ducati right for you’ because the 2 happiest days in a Ducati owner’s life are:
1) date of Ducati purchase
2) date of Ducati sale

Though I do have to say the self immolation option is a good one to keep in the back pocket if you have full coverage insurance.

The F150 in general, the Raptor in particular are in an entirely different and better league of reliability than the other 2. Of course, to the guy / gal with the bike/car/truck in the shop for 30+ days, it might as well be 100% failure rate because for them, it is.

Good luck OP, I hope they resolve the issues to your satisfaction.

 

[FordTechOne]

Not making up what I read here on the forum sir.


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A lot of things are posted on forums by people that are either lying/trolling or have no idea what they're talking about, rendering such posts useless and detrimental to the forum's knowledge base.

The post you quoted describes a timing belt failure. No Ford F-series in history has ever used a timing belt aside from the 2018-2020 3.0 Powerstroke Diesel, and I've never seen nor heard of a reported failure on one of those engines regardless.

Everything you read on the internet should be questioned for validity, especially before re-posting it. A simple google search would reveal that all Ford F-Series engines (3.0 Lion excluded) use a timing chain, not a belt.

 

[txgunsntrucks]

so dude bought a raptor. had issues and they are offering to buy it back at the same price paid. so there is zero loss.

who would not take that deal?

you can either get another, or go another route.

no brainer

 

[DrJacks]

My plan as of now is to pursue a buyback. Once I hand over the keys, I will decide which truck to get.

I’m strongly leaning towards another Raptor but without all the tech packages and without a moonroof, just like the ones at Raptor Assault. By the time this goes through, we may know more about the 2021’s. I have no idea how long this process takes. My lawyer just said it was a slam dunk.

I am still in disbelief about the lack of competition from any other automaker. If you want an extremely capable truck, it’s Raptor or nothing. Even Chevy and GMC openly admitted that even there Rocky Ridge AT4’s were not in the same league. That’s kind of a rare admission.

 

[BaseRaptor]

I think the reason the competition hasn’t jumped on the Raptor competition bandwagon is the rather low volume of sales. Ford is rumored to manufacture around 25k Raptors per year, or 480 per week.

 

[Truckasaurus]

My plan as of now is to pursue a buyback. Once I hand over the keys, I will decide which truck to get.

I’m strongly leaning towards another Raptor but without all the tech packages and without a moonroof, just like the ones at Raptor Assault. By the time this goes through, we may know more about the 2021’s. I have no idea how long this process takes. My lawyer just said it was a slam dunk.

I am still in disbelief about the lack of competition from any other automaker. If you want an extremely capable truck, it’s Raptor or nothing. Even Chevy and GMC openly admitted that even there Rocky Ridge AT4’s were not in the same league. That’s kind of a rare admission.

TFL trucks just unofficially confirmed that the TRX will have the full 707 horsepower Hellcat motor. The truck will have dual Bilsteins and a 5 link rear end. The late stage development mules have been spotted wearing 8 lug wheels in the rear, implying that they are using 2500 level rear ends (for strength). If they have also sufficiently upgraded the front driveline, that truck will be a beast. So there may finally be real competition coming.

In the meantime, though, I would not hesitate to buy another Raptor. Dodge has been floating rumors about the TRX for the better part of a decade now. I do think it's coming but I wouldn't personally wait for it. For the price it is likely to command ($100k+), you could do a Whipple 5.0 swap in a Gen 2 and then smoke the TRX...

The engine and trans swap only costs around $27k, plus you can sell the stock units.

Also, Dodge quality sucks.

 

[BobbyVA]

TFL trucks just unofficially confirmed that the TRX will have the full 707 horsepower Hellcat motor. The truck will have dual Bilsteins and a 5 link rear end. The late stage development mules have been spotted wearing 8 lug wheels in the rear, implying that they are using 2500 level rear ends (for strength). If they have also sufficiently upgraded the front driveline, that truck will be a beast. So there may finally be real competition coming.

In the meantime, though, I would not hesitate to buy another Raptor. Dodge has been floating rumors about the TRX for the better part of a decade now. I do think it's coming but I wouldn't personally wait for it. For the price it is likely to command ($100k+), you could do a Whipple 5.0 swap in a Gen 2 and then smoke the TRX...

The engine and trans swap only costs around $27k, plus you can sell the stock units.

Also, Dodge quality sucks.

Why can’t ford just start with an 8 in the raptor?! [emoji30]


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