Should I give up my Raptor?

[SSWIM]

Thanks for all the feedback! Many of my issues seem to be unrelated and just point to poor design and parts selection (e.g. servos failing, switches shorting our). I’m an engineer and always look for route cause but I believe the Raptor design makes this incredibly difficult.

To make things more complicated, I’ve been reading articles about Ford’s rising warranty costs and falling stock prices making many ask if they are far from going through a bankruptcy reorganization “vehicle-rollout problems and high warranty costs have taken a toll, with the company’s operating profit falling for three straight years" Probably making this WAY too complicated.



I wish I had known about this a long time ago. I have a sensitive job and can’t drive the truck at times due to the location tracking (just wait for a Ford data breach, I’m sure their security is TOP NOTCH!!). The ECU also rats you out if you change it which I believe the mechanics can see, though they likely don’t know what the change is.


Maybe the thing to do is have them buy it back and order a base Raptor and spend the rest of my life arguing with my girlfriend about it being too cold for her. No sunroof, adaptive cruise control or anything!

Remember one can find just about any information on the net to support or refute ones research.

Buy another and enjoy it.

Sam

 

[BobbyVA]

This place is like twitter, it brings out the worst in people. You have a lot of users here who get in their trucks every day, commute, haul family, go to starbucks, do Raptor things and go home and nothing happens. Nobody posts about that.

Yours has not been the ideal, expected or tolerable customer experience. stranding you significantly reduced the use and market value of your vehicle, once is one time too many. These problems are horrible to troubleshoot and they’re being troubleshot by mechanics, not network experts. You could have a nicked wire somewhere buried in a harness, busted sensor, defective module, who knows? You’re right - get rid of it.

I would love it if Ford would produce a bare bones, no tech Raptor. Motor, transmission, transfer case, suspension and go. no ABS, not stability control, no drive modes, minimal integration, just a super competent off road truck. But those days are gone. Even so, the Raptor user base is pretty darn big. The user base who have reported significant issues are not big. The chances of you getting another one with significant issues is pretty small. Not zero, but small.



I hope you pick up a new SUV or sedan soon!

We shall see smurf...we shall see. What would be worse for you Is if I pull the trigger and have issues lmao...I have until 2022 until my warranty is up and I plan on moving forward...unless I change my mind and get a 20.


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[Turbo95max]

Had a gen 1 gave it up with 60k something miles. AC line issue and moonroof broke that was it (moonroofs are still breaking and will never get one in a ford truck again)

I’ve been back on here a lot because I’m looking to get back into a raptor. I can’t tell you how many posts I’ve see that involves people having issues:

Cam phaser rattle, oil consumption (TSB 19-2232), plastic oil catch (now fixed) leaking valve cover, timing belt, air speed sensor, every little thing cause the truck to go into limp mode, crank case sensor and several other minor issues I can’t recall. Just scroll through the threads here and you will see what I’m talking about. You could argue that because it’s a forum you will read about more issues because after all this is where you go to figure things out. With this being said I would go to a few raptor meet ups and or just try to flag guys down when you see them driving and see if they have had any issues.

I’m sorry but if things don’t turn around I’ll be getting a new SUV/Sedan and then a bone stock truck (not sure what brand) for when I need a pickup.

Like you I can’t see myself owning a pickup if it’s not a raptor, it’s such an amazing vehicle and fun to drive. With no other alternatives (maybe the TRX depending on how it turns out) we are all stuck having to roll the dice on the raptor.

Do your homework and take some time to think things through before making a decision. I’d be tempted to have them buy it back and get a new raptor even though at this point I think it would be the wrong decision.

Best of luck to you.


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I love how people make things up to make their argument better. Id love for anyone to show me the timing belt problem on a Gen 2, or even a Gen 1. Heres a hint... they dont use timing belts. I'm also wondering what a plastic oil catch or crank case sensor is.

For what its worth, I had a Gen 1 and I am in a Gen 2 now. I would never go back to a Gen 1.

 

[BobbyVA]

I love how people make things up to make their argument better. Id love for anyone to show me the timing belt problem on a Gen 2, or even a Gen 1. Heres a hint... they dont use timing belts. I'm also wondering what a plastic oil catch or crank case sensor is.

For what its worth, I had a Gen 1 and I am in a Gen 2 now. I would never go back to a Gen 1.

Not making up what I read here on the forum sir.


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[BobbyVA]

Not making up what I read here on the forum sir.


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And why would I make something up? What dog do I have in this fight? What argument am I trying to make?

I read through several posts, see issues that people are posting/complaining about, regurgitated that when someone asked what they should do with their truck. I gave someone on a forum where people are encouraged to give opinions and are in fact asked what they think and I’m wrong for sharing my thoughts?

Scroll through the different posts and tell me you don’t see several people with issues and or asking about weird noises. Yes I know and as I said in my first response...I understand this is a forum and you will likely see more issues here than real world.


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[DrJacks]

Thanks again for all the advice! You guys rock!

The thing making me hesitant to do a buyback is that I already bought clear bra, a ceramic coat, Rino liner, BD lights, new wheels and a lengthy install of a 2 channel dash cam. It’s probably still less than the depreciation but by how much I don’t know. At least some things could be removed.

i told my lawyer I would decide by Monday And my Raptor is still in the shop so it’s gonna be a long weekend.

I went to dodge and drove a Powerwagon. I’m no Ford guy but it doesn’t appear to be anywhere near a Raptor, especially with it’s mini tires and 11MPG by some reports.

I definitely agree that there is a lot of sample bias as people have mentioned - those who don’t have issues aren’t on here complaining. However, I am on many automotive forums and there seems to be many more complaints here. That combined with investor disclosures of rising warranty costs eating away at profit leads me to believe that Ford is subpar. Also, many of my issues are unrelated (mirror motor, adaptive cruise control, short in the door locks, etc.) Further, when the computer freaks out after the warranty expires, you have no chance of fixing the problem yourself. It’s simply too complicated.

I think I’m pretty objective, never been a fan of any one manufacturer but I have to say, if they just increased reliability, the Ford Raptor would be the best vehicle of our time! Plenty of off-road capability, super comfortable, practical for hauling cargo/friends/family, good MPG’a, great looks, and plenty of power! Looking at the competition this week as made this more clear than ever before!!

I might just end up with a Rubicon diesel... sigh

 

[mchurch0211]

Thanks again for all the advice! You guys rock!

The thing making me hesitant to do a buyback is that I already bought clear bra, a ceramic coat, Rino liner, BD lights, new wheels and a lengthy install of a 2 channel dash cam. It’s probably still less than the depreciation but by how much I don’t know. At least some things could be removed.

i told my lawyer I would decide by Monday And my Raptor is still in the shop so it’s gonna be a long weekend.

I went to dodge and drove a Powerwagon. I’m no Ford guy but it doesn’t appear to be anywhere near a Raptor, especially with it’s mini tires and 11MPG by some reports.

I definitely agree that there is a lot of sample bias as people have mentioned - those who don’t have issues aren’t on here complaining. However, I am on many automotive forums and there seems to be many more complaints here. That combined with investor disclosures of rising warranty costs eating away at profit leads me to believe that Ford is subpar. Also, many of my issues are unrelated (mirror motor, adaptive cruise control, short in the door locks, etc.) Further, when the computer freaks out after the warranty expires, you have no chance of fixing the problem yourself. It’s simply too complicated.

I think I’m pretty objective, never been a fan of any one manufacturer but I have to say, if they just increased reliability, the Ford Raptor would be the best vehicle of our time! Plenty of off-road capability, super comfortable, practical for hauling cargo/friends/family, good MPG’a, great looks, and plenty of power! Looking at the competition this week as made this more clear than ever before!!

I might just end up with a Rubicon diesel... sigh

Just buy another gen1 and roll on! At least you would have a reliable worry free raptor

 

[mchurch0211]

Sure it lacks the tech of gen 2 but still light years ahead of a power wagon lol and you don’t have to visit the service department every other month

 

[mchurch0211]

AND YOU STILL ARE IN A RAPTOR AND SAVING 20k AT THE SAME TIME SOUNDS LIKE A WIN WIN

 

[smurfslayer]

The thing making me hesitant to do a buyback is that I already bought clear bra, a ceramic coat, Rino liner, BD lights, new wheels and a lengthy install of a 2 channel dash cam. It’s probably still less than the depreciation but by how much I don’t know. At least some things could be removed.

All things are negotiable. If you go the route of a manufacturer offered buy back, they will nickel and dime everything the same as a lemon law buy back with the difference being they will make it just financially attractive enough to keep the manufacturer out of court. It all depends on whether or not you have an obvious “winner” by way of satisfying your state’s lemon law suit. The service manager knows if it’s marginal, slam dunk or somewhere in between and will be asked. if it’s a slam dunk winner, they’re going to be a lot more flexible by way of moving the stuff you’ve installed, etc.

I went to dodge and drove a Powerwagon

Don’t forget to shower, for the love of all things Holy.

I definitely agree that there is a lot of sample bias as people have mentioned - those who don’t have issues aren’t on here complaining. However, I am on many automotive forums and there seems to be many more complaints here

There are many more complaints here, but to be fair, there are many more trolls here too, fanning the flames, ginning up flamefests, you name it. Ford doesn’t do some things right. I think their stealership variances in the way they sometimes won’t even admit the truck even has cam phasers is setting Ford up for failure in a lawsuit, the same way as forcing the owner to wait through a tear down analysis and wait for parts because the stealership service department wouldn’t accept the owner’s cell phone start up video. That’s just plain stupid. Or the ubiquitous “your truck isn’t throwing any codes, so we can’t do a tear down just because it makes noise on start up”. If you have to source a part for your truck, it takes too long. I needed to wait almost a week for moon roof tracks. It’s a part that’s in something like 60% of F150’s since, what--- 2015? I mean, sure, they break a lot but it’s not like they don’t know this. We’ve had guys wait 45 days while their engines were torn down, it’s only 30 days to satisfy the lemon law in most states. But, when you look at the user base vs. people who have actually had problems, it’s pretty low. Not helpful to know or learn when your truck is in the shop and your engine in pieces, but the point is that you’re unlikely to have a similar issue if you decide to stay in the Ford.

I think I’m pretty objective, never been a fan of any one manufacturer but I have to say, if they just increased reliability, the Ford Raptor would be the best vehicle of our time!

Your opinion would be less jaundiced if you’ve ever owned a Ducati or bmw. Then, you would truly understand the meaning of the word unreliable.