Question. Interest in affordable brake caliper upgrade. Blue Collar BBK.

[BenBB]

The piston area of the calipers is both sides. This determines clamping force.

The brake pad swept area is a different factor.

However, more brake pad area squeezed harder is more stopping power. The calipers flex less, only the pistons move and the aluminum bodies dissipate heat better.

Absolutely. I was drooling over the Brembos on the just-announced Mustang...

 

[screaminfast]

If we want to pursue this, I’d be happy to do the machining for aluminum brackets.

 

[BenBB]

If we want to pursue this, I’d be happy to do the machining for aluminum brackets.

@BlueOvalF22 is in pursuit!! Not sure if he already has a machinist lined up on the left coast, but I'm confident he can get it done...

 

[djevox]

Keep in mind that upgrading will only fix brake fade, not make you stop faster if the stock abs is still intact. If you disable abs, then there is the potential to stop quicker up to the point of locking the brake. If you just want it for looks, then keep on keepin’ on…

 

[screaminfast]

@BlueOvalF22 is in pursuit!! Not sure if he already has a machinist lined up on the left coast, but I'm confident he can get it done...

Sounds good. If not I can fit it in between making gun parts lol

 

[BenBB]

Keep in mind that upgrading will only fix brake fade, not make you stop faster if the stock abs is still intact. If you disable abs, then there is the potential to stop quicker up to the point of locking the brake. If you just want it for looks, then keep on keepin’ on…

Can you elaborate please? I don't see brake fade changing, as I was under the impression (admittedly it might be incorrect) that like shock fade, fade was a function of heat and dissipation of the heat. Brake force (via more area of the caliper pistons through the pad and against the rotor) should be directly proportionate to braking distance; stopping sooner even if the ABS kicks in.

And if I'm wrong and that is the case...say hello to mah little friend:

At least in offroad circumstances, ABS is mostly disabled:

 

[Zeusmotorworks]

NM

 

[djevox]

Can you elaborate please? I don't see brake fade changing, as I was under the impression (admittedly it might be incorrect) that like shock fade, fade was a function of heat and dissipation of the heat. Brake force (via more area of the caliper pistons through the pad and against the rotor) should be directly proportionate to braking distance; stopping sooner even if the ABS kicks in.

And if I'm wrong and that is the case...say hello to mah little friend:
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At least in offroad circumstances, ABS is mostly disabled:
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I think it’s easier in this instance to let google do the work for me as I would have to type out a small book to fully cover it. If you do some google searching for “larger brakes decrease stopping distance”, “big brake kit degrade (or affect) abs”, and “brake fade”, you’ll have a bunch of reading so you can decide for yourself whether it’s worth it to you. I’ll note again that brake fade is the big thing you’ll be solving here. Of course, there will always be the anecdotal evidence to dispute anything said.

 

[BenBB]

Will do, mostly curious about the ABS system and if it would even notice 6-piston calipers on the front. The BBK stuff is largely irrelevant as this setup will retain the stock (or stock size) rotor...

 

[BlueOvalF22]

If we want to pursue this, I’d be happy to do the machining for aluminum brackets.

It's probably best to just send out a blueprint to a waterjet house.
Just like any good BBK, I have seen it will need shim washers to adjust or more specifically center the caliper on the rotor.

Production tolerances on the spindles weren't loose but they weren't exactly tight for the brake mount ears since the OE brake rotor slides.