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[MagicMtnDan]

Your stupidity never fails to amaze me and the fact you that repeatedly prove it by not posting your own info but yet what you copy and pasted from what you find on the internet makes me lol. If you read the article they drive a car with CVT. If you know anything about but CVTs they are all gutless because of the nature of the transmission doesn't matter if its in a sled, quad or car. The CR-Z I drove was a 6sp manual car makes for a much different driving experience but you don't have to take my word on it. I think Rutledge of Top Gear does a good job at summing up the manual car.
http://www.streetfire.net/video/top-gear-america-01x07-20110102_2185141.htm

There was nothing stupid about what I posted. Nothing. That car is gutless with or without the CVT. But you know everything so you already know that.

Why do you continue to be rude and inconsiderate? Would you say that to me in person? If the answer is yes then you're beyond hope.

In any case, torque steer as a problem intensifies as the power to the front wheels increase. It's an issue for all FWD manufacturers and they've done a variety of things with their designs to reduce the effect.

There's also a reason that performance cars never have FWD.

 

[tigercrazy718]

my gfs genetics teacher made a good point the other day. all these animals that were supposedly killing off will most likely evolve and adapt to any environmental changes. he actually told the class to keep driving their huge 10 mpg trucks (his words) lol

 

[The Tank]

There was nothing stupid about what I posted. Nothing. That car is gutless with or without the CVT. But you know everything so you already know that.

Why do you continue to be rude and inconsiderate? Would you say that to me in person? If the answer is yes then you're beyond hope.

In any case, torque steer as a problem intensifies as the power to the front wheels increase. It's an issue for all FWD manufacturers and they've done a variety of things with their designs to reduce the effect.

There's also a reason that performance cars never have FWD.

You can't compare a CVT car to a manual shift car it makes no sense. Being able to manual row gears always adds to the fun to drive factor. I don't know everything but I do know that after having several Polaris quads I will never own anything over 600lbs with a CVT. BTW your gutless also makes no sense because I never said it was fast all I said it was fun to drive.

Yes, I would have no problem saying anything I have said on here to your face. I am an ******* anyone who knows me in real life knows this and it doesn't bother them.

So you say a FWD car can't be a performance car. Hmm if that is true then why would BMW bring back the Mini as a FWD or why is there such a huge demand for the Focus RS to come to the US? The European Hot Hatch market would tell me that performance FWD cars do exist and are doing very well.

Speaking of the Focus RS and all of its 300+hp and 300+tq might here are 2 reviews of it and an explaination of how Fords Revoknuckle(which we will see more of)

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/112_0902_2010_ford_focus_first_drive/index.html

http://jalopnik.com/5535150/2010-ford-focus-rs-first-us-drive

http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1032432_in-depth-fords-revoknuckle-suspension-and-quaife-lsd-for-the-focus-rs

And then again there is Fords highway bruiser the SHO. 365hp FWD car I bet Ford has figured out a way to eliminate all of its torque steer as well. I haven't driven one yet but I think I'm going to have to find out.

BTW a CR-Z finished 2nd at the 25 hours of Thunderhill to an MX-5
http://reviews.cnet.com/sedan/2010-ford-taurus-sho/4505-10865_7-33719730.html

 

[MagicMtnDan]

I didn't compare a CVT car to a manual shift car. I said the CRZ is a gutless hybrid - no matter what transmission is in it. Whether or not that comment makes sense to you it's irrelevant as it's my OPINION.

Your interpretation of a performance car appears to be different than mine. If you think a Mini or a Focus RS or European hot hatches are performance cars I won't argue with you.

I know there are plenty of high HP FWD cars and some are raced. I personally wouldn't call any of them performance cars even though they're great performers.

If you want to drive a FWD car with lots of HP be my guest. I'd happily take a lower HP car with RWD. And I'd much rather drive a mid-engined rear wheel drive car like a Porsche Boxster S or Cayman S than drive a Focus RS. And that is nothing more than my OPINION.

 

[BentToast]

Taurus SHO is awd only.

 

[Droid]

Impressive that the air pollution (smog) score is above average for NEW cars, even with the amount of fuel being put through it. And you can pretty much guarantee that it thoroughly bests any vehicle made five years ago.

IMHO, The smog score is ten times more important than the global warming score. The GW score is a direct derivation of the EPA MPG numbers, as it simply uses ideal combustion of gasoline into H2O+CO2 to figure CO2 output.

Global warming might harm the planet, might harm us, and we might be responsible.

Air pollution will harm the planet, will harm us, and we are responsible.

 

[MarkT]

SNIP
Global warming might harm the planet, might harm us, and we might be responsible.

Air pollution will harm the planet, will harm us, and we are responsible.

:thumbsup: Great point!

 

[The Tank]

I didn't compare a CVT car to a manual shift car. I said the CRZ is a gutless hybrid - no matter what transmission is in it. Whether or not that comment makes sense to you it's irrelevant as it's my OPINION.

Your interpretation of a performance car appears to be different than mine. If you think a Mini or a Focus RS or European hot hatches are performance cars I won't argue with you.

I know there are plenty of high HP FWD cars and some are raced. I personally wouldn't call any of them performance cars even though they're great performers.

If you want to drive a FWD car with lots of HP be my guest. I'd happily take a lower HP car with RWD. And I'd much rather drive a mid-engined rear wheel drive car like a Porsche Boxster S or Cayman S than drive a Focus RS. And that is nothing more than my OPINION.

How can you have an opinion on how a car drives if you have never driven it? It makes no sense. Its like saying a random ********* is great in bed but you only see her pumping gas because what you're doing is making assumptions based on stereotypes and what you've been told by others who've had experience with a similar but the type of person(car).

What is a performance car? A performance car is a car that is fun to drive but isn't necessarily a barn burner but isn't slow either. Yes, I know its a general but this group of cars is very divided with groups like Pony Cars, Hot Hatches, or Rally Fighters(which is the group the Focus RS really falls into). Now if you said Sports Car you would be correct because a Sports Car is RWD, two-seater, and generally a vert with a coupe option. I've driven a JCW Cooper and it's fantastic little car and handles a lot better then most RWD cars but now we back to torque steer well Minis approach was to way to much power to a very low traction rating tire and simply blow the tires off every time you launched the car but Minis like BMW are know for handling so it doesn't matter if it can't go fast in a straight line.

Everyone knows the MR lay-out is the best but your price and brand are the problem. Like before this is not an opinion but a preference based on the size of your wallet and your overly apparent dislike towards Ford lack of things you feel are needed options like power lock/unlock tailgate. If you convert the RS price from pounds to dollars it puts the RS IIRC somewhere in the mid to upper 40K range. Ford knows they can't sell a Focus no matter what it is for that price so really a US would most likely be in the upper 30K range. If you used the Mustang GT, Camaro SS, Challenger R/T, or 370Z to choose over the Focus RS I wouldn't be arguing this point with you other then to say you need to expand your view on cars.

 

[BigJ]

Not that I have a dog in this hunt but I define a "performance car" to be any that makes me suck up the seat leather thru my ****. I've driven plenty of front wheel drive, rear wheel drive and mid engines that accomplish that feat (much to the chagrin of the cars' owner :doh

Carry on.

 

[The Tank]

Not that I have a dog in this hunt but I define a "performance car" to be any that makes me suck up the seat leather thru my ****. I've driven plenty of front wheel drive, rear wheel drive and mid engines that accomplish that feat (much to the chagrin of the cars' owner :doh

Carry on.

LOL some would a stay a Wagon can't be performance car but its safe to say Dodge and Subie proved otherwise.