My truck is starting to ride like Sh*t

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Have you perhaps had your truck in for service and the shop boy pumped the tires up for you???
 

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i didnt read past where you put it on mid perch and had a flutter stack installed lololololololololololololol


edit, i did read a little more. you also added harsher noise and feel transfer spherical bearings as your lower mount?



i mean, lol commonnnnnn
 
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i didnt read past where you put it on mid perch and had a flutter stack installed lololololololololololololol


edit, i did read a little more. you also added harsher noise and feel transfer spherical bearings as your lower mount?



i mean, lol commonnnnnn

Ummm, yes I did all of those things. The flutter stack made an improvement in ride quality in both on and off road, but apparently the longevity sucks on the rebuild.

Mid perch made a slight but noticeable difference in the front end. Stiffer, but in a good way. Think an M spec 3 series vs. a normal 3 series, stiffer when needed, but still streetable and it didn't bother my OCD, so I'll say no one else would be bother too bad either.

I pressed in the spherical bearings in an attempt to combat constant lower shock bushing failure, and trust me, after hacking out the stock bushings, replacing them is a GOOD idea. The factory bushings look like something that belong on a Play Co. ride-on for your kids, and last about just as long. But you do bring up the fact that they are metal, stiffer, and have a shorter service life. At the time of install of said spherical bearings, I noticed no stiffer or worse ride quality, in fact the new bushings fixed my excited front passenger corner when traveling over rough terrain. A plus if you ask me. BUT could the teflon lined cue balls have worn out in the past 5,000 miles? Maybe. All aftermarket shocks use a similar lower shock bushing, and I don't hear any one claiming their new $5,000 shocks have worn out after 4 months. But then again, who complains after spending money on things they "NEED".


So, before we conclude that the ****** ride is because of the changes I made to the front suspension, I'll counter with a simple, It didn't ride like shit 1 month ago when the changes were 2 months old.

AND, how do you explain the rear end riding like an F-350, HMMMMMMM? I haven't even rounded off the rear shock bolts yet.
 

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Ummm, yes I did all of those things. The flutter stack made an improvement in ride quality in both on and off road, but apparently the longevity sucks on the rebuild.

Mid perch made a slight but noticeable difference in the front end. Stiffer, but in a good way. Think an M spec 3 series vs. a normal 3 series, stiffer when needed, but still streetable and it didn't bother my OCD, so I'll say no one else would be bother too bad either.

I pressed in the spherical bearings in an attempt to combat constant lower shock bushing failure, and trust me, after hacking out the stock bushings, replacing them is a GOOD idea. The factory bushings look like something that belong on a Play Co. ride-on for your kids, and last about just as long. But you do bring up the fact that they are metal, stiffer, and have a shorter service life. At the time of install of said spherical bearings, I noticed no stiffer or worse ride quality, in fact the new bushings fixed my excited front passenger corner when traveling over rough terrain. A plus if you ask me. BUT could the teflon lined cue balls have worn out in the past 5,000 miles? Maybe. All aftermarket shocks use a similar lower shock bushing, and I don't hear any one claiming their new $5,000 shocks have worn out after 4 months. But then again, who complains after spending money on things they "NEED".


So, before we conclude that the ****** ride is because of the changes I made to the front suspension, I'll counter with a simple, It didn't ride like shit 1 month ago when the changes were 2 months old.

AND, how do you explain the rear end riding like an F-350, HMMMMMMM? I haven't even rounded off the rear shock bolts yet.

can we truly equate to the ride being better or your excitement for your new parts clouding objective facts.

do you know what a flutter stack does? your first post almost described it perfectly. EVEYTHING you did made your ride stiffer and harsher overall.

that in turn will transfer to the rear end since the truck is a single object and everything is connected in some form or fashion. im not saying the ride in the back is harsher because you put something on it, im saying the front is much harsher and the rear is reacting to this.

i am more than willing to bet if you tossed some stockers up front, that are not leaking and have a proper nitro charge, your ride would feel much smoother and back to the caddy ride we all love.
 
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can we truly equate to the ride being better or your excitement for your new parts clouding objective facts.

I refrain from being the type of person who believes that whatever part or modification I choose to install instantly makes an item better (aka not your typical FRF fan boy). Over the years I've tested countless "beneficial" motorcycle parts, and have disappointed my self and others when I come back to the trailer shaking my head saying "its better the way it was". So I'd like to think I can rule that out. I also have a decent group of double blind peanut gallery as frequent passengers.

do you know what a flutter stack does? your first post almost described it perfectly. EVEYTHING you did made your ride stiffer and harsher overall.

I have to disagree with you there. In theory (I'm no expert, so I stick with the theories), when re-valving with a flutter stack, you will achieve a softer initial hi speed compression rate that will allow the ride to be more smooth over washboard type roads. It's a poor mans solution to fully adjustable shocks, but it works some what. HOWEVER, did I do the re-valve myself, no, so I have no idea what shims were installed and in what order. Now you have some validity in your point. Am I blowing through the initial "soft" zone? Maybe. Were the shocks valved while on the bottom perch? Yes. By moving to mid perch did I possibly screw with the valving? Possibly. Could a flutter stack complemented by roached shock fluid and possible low nitrogen charge equate to a bone rattling ride? That answer will be shipped to my door in a crate marked Icon.

im not saying the ride in the back is harsher because you put something on it, im saying the front is much harsher and the rear is reacting to this.

The rear is way more harsh than the front. Yes an object in motion stays in motion, or whatever we were taught in the 5th grade, but trust me the rear is worse.

i am more than willing to bet if you tossed some stockers up front, that are not leaking and have a proper nitro charge, your ride would feel much smoother and back to the caddy ride we all love.

If it were only that simple. After sending my shocks to California to be rebuilt and paying good money to do so, I'm just going to upgrade to a system that is designed to be rebuilt and serviced regularly. I initially thought that the factory 2.5's were good, and after a few adjustments they would serve me just fine. As you might tell, my outlook on life has changed.


Side note: This ****** ride has all rapidly developed after a hard Texas winter Freeze. Could the cold affect the fluid life, seals and bushings? I get bored at work and my mind wonders.

The weather is looking up this weekend. I'll try and give the suspension components and drive train a look and a shake, then we can dive backing the entertaining discussion of Fox 2.5 do's and don'ts.

---------- Post added at 10:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:13 PM ----------

Since I am now committed to the Ford Raptor Forum, and have apparently typed up something people are semi interested in, I am soliciting openminded suggestions to aid in combatting the following worn out pieces of shit on my 41,000 mile "built for Baja" truck:

Power steering system - I'm getting tired of replacing pumps and racks, 3 of each so far. Installing new pump and inline filter this weekend and flushing all fluids. Truck has PSS reservoir, and cooler installed already. Any other bright ideas are appreciated.

Rear differential - Not sure if its a U-joint or the diff yet, but all signs point to the diff. Rear pinion bearing went 6,000 miles ago, ford rebuilt the diff under warranty, but it now has a lot of play. Truck rode like a dream until 1,000 miles ago. Symptoms feel like a worn out U-joint, but don't project the usual vibrations and humming noises. I'm assuming it has too much backlash. Disassemble, inspect, and replace the crush sleeve to achieve the proper backlash tolerances? Or am I looking at a larger, more expensive undertaking.

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can we truly equate to the ride being better or your excitement for your new parts clouding objective facts.

I refrain from being the type of person who believes that whatever part or modification I choose to install instantly makes an item better (aka not your typical FRF fan boy). Over the years I've tested countless "beneficial" motorcycle parts, and have disappointed my self and others when I come back to the trailer shaking my head saying "its better the way it was". So I'd like to think I can rule that out. I also have a decent group of double blind peanut gallery as frequent passengers.

do you know what a flutter stack does? your first post almost described it perfectly. EVEYTHING you did made your ride stiffer and harsher overall.

I have to disagree with you there. In theory (I'm no expert, so I stick with the theories), when re-valving with a flutter stack, you will achieve a softer initial hi speed compression rate that will allow the ride to be more smooth over washboard type roads. It's a poor mans solution to fully adjustable shocks, but it works some what. HOWEVER, did I do the re-valve myself, no, so I have no idea what shims were installed and in what order. Now you have some validity in your point. Am I blowing through the initial "soft" zone? Maybe. Were the shocks valved while on the bottom perch? Yes. By moving to mid perch did I possibly screw with the valving? Possibly. Could a flutter stack complemented by roached shock fluid and possible low nitrogen charge equate to a bone rattling ride? That answer will be shipped to my door in a crate marked Icon.

im not saying the ride in the back is harsher because you put something on it, im saying the front is much harsher and the rear is reacting to this.

The rear is way more harsh than the front. Yes an object in motion stays in motion, or whatever we were taught in the 5th grade, but trust me the rear is worse.

i am more than willing to bet if you tossed some stockers up front, that are not leaking and have a proper nitro charge, your ride would feel much smoother and back to the caddy ride we all love.

If it were only that simple. After sending my shocks to California to be rebuilt and paying good money to do so, I'm just going to upgrade to a system that is designed to be rebuilt and serviced regularly. I initially thought that the factory 2.5's were good, and after a few adjustments they would serve me just fine. As you might tell, my outlook on life has changed.


Side note: This ****** ride has all rapidly developed after a hard Texas winter Freeze. Could the cold affect the fluid life, seals and bushings? I get bored at work and my mind wonders.

The weather is looking up this weekend. I'll try and give the suspension components and drive train a look and a shake, then we can dive backing the entertaining discussion of Fox 2.5 do's and don'ts.

---------- Post added at 10:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:13 PM ----------

Since I am now committed to the Ford Raptor Forum, and have apparently typed up something people are semi interested in, I am soliciting openminded suggestions to aid in combatting the following worn out pieces of shit on my 41,000 mile "built for Baja" truck:

Power steering system - I'm getting tired of replacing pumps and racks, 3 of each so far. Installing new pump and inline filter this weekend and flushing all fluids. Truck has PSS reservoir, and cooler installed already. Any other bright ideas are appreciated.

Rear differential - Not sure if its a U-joint or the diff yet, but all signs point to the diff. Rear pinion bearing went 6,000 miles ago, ford rebuilt the diff under warranty, but it now has a lot of play. Truck rode like a dream until 1,000 miles ago. Symptoms feel like a worn out U-joint, but don't project the usual vibrations and humming noises. I'm assuming it has too much backlash. Disassemble, inspect, and replace the crush sleeve to achieve the proper backlash tolerances? Or am I looking at a larger, more expensive undertaking.

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I a lifelong Chevy guy, so the Ford digs don't bother me....not that you care...

My '14 has 49k miles on it, and approximately zero of them in Baja-style off-road. And MAYBE a hundred totals miles mud/trail/field off-road. Although I did bury it to the frame several weeks ago, spending a few hours getting pulled out with my neighbor's F-150 Platinum (is it wierd that I still felt embarrassed being pulled out by a Ford?).

Anyway...I put 37s on just 6 days ago and I can already hear my power steering pump starting to whine... Not while turning mind you, but just going down the road. I too would like to know if there are any serious upgrades to the steering/power steering system. Other than that, I have no mechanical/power train issues. But after spending a few hundred dollars on repairs my AC still doesn't work and rear window deforest works when it wants to, which is almost never.

Hard to troubleshoot your rear end issues over a forum post, but the repair you had done 6k miles ago should still be under warranty, even if the truck is not. There should be a certain amount (i.e. "some") backlash between the pinion gear and the ring gear. If it's opened up, it's for two reasons: the most likely is that the pinion crush sleeve--and therefore pinion bearing preload--was not set properly (this is pretty easy for a novice to screw up); the second could be due to carrier improperly shimmed or preloaded (doubtful). If either prove to be the case, I'd demand a completely new gearset and pinion/carrier bearings--and that the work be done by another repair shop.

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My '13 does the same exact things you are describing and I had my shocks rebuilt less than 4k miles ago. I'm on mid perch with stock springs (geiser's in a box waiting to be installed) and my truck is also a street queen with zero offroading. I thought it was a bad rack and pinion or outter tie rods, so I replaced them and problem still exist. My truck has ~95k miles so I'm wondering if its the balljoints or control arm bushings, but your post has me looking back at the shocks. When I pull the front shocks off to install the geiser's I'm going to check the charge pressures.

werebuildshocks.com did mine with stage 1, flutter stacks, and new oem lower bushing.

I also noticed that my front passenger looked like it was leaking. I contacted fordged and never got a response.
 
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