I've Owned my Raptor for 2 Months, It's been at the dealer for Most of it

[Old-Raptor-guy]

Just a little side note. Fluids inside wiring can be a big deal. (Mostly oil).

Ford had their recall 25 years ago about brake fluid getting inside the wiring from the brake pressure switch on the master cylinder and would cause a fire (crazy but I saw 4 vehicle fires because of it)

But another one i have seen is oil from a sensor, most notably cam sensor (a sensor that is not pressure fed oil but just splashed on) on some Mercedes vehicles (and some Chryslers from the Mercedes age). The oil will wick up the harness all the way to the PCM and then damage the PCM. Some complaints also involve "engine oil dripping from the dash".

One of the Craziest things I have seen. Only fix is new sensors, new wiring harness and new PCM. Usually over a $10,000 bill.

 

[Old-Raptor-guy]

Thanks for taking the time to write this out. Yes this is a FOMOCO dealer and FOMOCO parts. The dealer claimed that there was oil leaking from the oil pressure sensor into the wiring so it's leading me to believe that that could be a possible issue that wasn't resolved by merely replacing the sensor. I do go into limp mode whenever I get the warning and I'm limited to 3000 RPM. Still unsure why the oil pump replacement was necessary as clearly it had no impact and makes me think these guys have no idea what they're doing...

Just going to put this out there. This is my story. I deal with this daily and it is something I have had to learn the hard way AND something I try and get my guys to understand, it is harder than you think.

The oil pump was probably replaced out of desperation.

When you properly diagnose a problem and then the problem is not resolved I believe it is human nature to have an emotional response.

Imagine for a moment an light goes out in your kitchen, you grab a new bulb out of the garage and install it. You flip the switch on and it still does not come on. Do you instantly try another bulb or do you suspect something else????

99% of the time humans suspect something else.

The tech had a emotional response to a logical problem. It wasn't done out of malice or ill intent, it was done out of desperation and an attempt to get you back on the road.

I have to beat into my guys heads that each time you diag, you start at the beginning. Don't assume anything.

Some of my biggest ass kickings have been from defective new parts.

Another weird thing and not to brag but this sort of seems to be unique (almost a super power) that I can look back at a situation and study it, evaluate it and figure out the missteps. Until I had employees I didn't think much of it, I thought everyone did it. but let me tell you, it is not very common at all.

 

[Keith88]

Give the truck back.

 

[MDJAK]

Note to self. Remember, continue on the path of NEVER buying used. Do not buy someone else's problems.

If I can't afford a new Raptor, or its brethern, buy something you can afford new. No guarantees it will be perfect, but much better chance rather than a crap shoot.

Even Porsche with their Certified program is full of sheeyat.

 

[Muchmore]

not to brag but this sort of seems to be unique (almost a super power) that I can look back at a situation and study it, evaluate it and figure out the missteps.

I need to talk to you about this one time in band camp............

 

[dsiggi]

So if @FordTechOne fix doesnt end up working. Its possible that rtv from a oil pan job or phaser job has broken off and worked its way into the oil pickup and only comes on intermittently. However, if thats it, it may be catastrophic one day.

 

[GordoJay]

Note to self. Remember, continue on the path of NEVER buying used. Do not buy someone else's problems.

Unless you know the previous owner and the history, this is good advice. Every problem truck gets traded in. Every one. The solid trucks? Lots do get traded, but I'm always hesitant to trade in a stellar vehicle for a brand-new crap shoot. And when do I decide to sell a good one, there's often someone in my circle who knows someone who's looking. So many of the good trucks are kept or sold through friends. Problem vehicles? Let the dealer deal with it. Your odds of getting a solid vehicle buying used from a dealer are lower than if you buy new. Much lower.

 

[TomDirt]

USED GEN 1 prices are in the mid $20K range right now, and typically those ads indicate it's been months since they were first listed. I've got a half dozen current ads I could post that are in my state.

NEW GEN 3 prices are 3-4X as much. Buying a new one and then handing over thousands of dollars to the state (so they can waste it) is a hard no.

 

[n8sbroken18raptor]

Just going to put this out there. This is my story. I deal with this daily and it is something I have had to learn the hard way AND something I try and get my guys to understand, it is harder than you think.

The oil pump was probably replaced out of desperation.

When you properly diagnose a problem and then the problem is not resolved I believe it is human nature to have an emotional response.

Imagine for a moment an light goes out in your kitchen, you grab a new bulb out of the garage and install it. You flip the switch on and it still does not come on. Do you instantly try another bulb or do you suspect something else????

99% of the time humans suspect something else.

The tech had a emotional response to a logical problem. It wasn't done out of malice or ill intent, it was done out of desperation and an attempt to get you back on the road.

I have to beat into my guys heads that each time you diag, you start at the beginning. Don't assume anything.

Some of my biggest ass kickings have been from defective new parts.

Another weird thing and not to brag but this sort of seems to be unique (almost a super power) that I can look back at a situation and study it, evaluate it and figure out the missteps. Until I had employees I didn't think much of it, I thought everyone did it. but let me tell you, it is not very common at all.

Just heard back from the dealer. They found metal in the oil pan and think that the new oil pump may be defective. They told me they did a full inspection and found no metal prior to replacing the pump. They're working with ford on getting me a new engine.

 

[Old-Raptor-guy]

Unless you know the previous owner and the history, this is good advice. Every problem truck gets traded in. Every one. The solid trucks? Lots do get traded, but I'm always hesitant to trade in a stellar vehicle for a brand-new crap shoot. And when do I decide to sell a good one, there's often someone in my circle who knows someone who's looking. So many of the good trucks are kept or sold through friends. Problem vehicles? Let the dealer deal with it. Your odds of getting a solid vehicle buying used from a dealer are lower than if you buy new. Much lower.

This is pretty spot on. My observations over the last 35 years are this.

Up until 2008-2009 there was a group of people that traded in vehicles every 2-3 years with low mileage, this gave some good low mileage used vehicles.

When the economy crashed this ended drastically and trade ins became more problematic. Like you said, stuff people did not want to deal with. It never really recovered fully but by 2019 I think it was close. Then Covid, and nothing has been the same. People in general do not get rid of a perfectly good car. Do you replace your refrigerator on a whim or wait for it to fail? So it makes sense really.

I was lucky enough to find the perfect used 2020 Raptor, with only 17,400 miles. I know people who need to replace a vehicle (current vehicle over 300,000 miles) who are looking at purchasing used with 150,000 miles, I tell them they are crazy, but it is what they can afford.