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[Halo Raptor]

Those aren't slot deletes... ^^ You can adjust those.

They work the same, essentially. The only reason I went with those is because I saw a post where KHC is coming out with some sorcery, so Ill wait till he's done designing. Those camber bolt locks only cost me 150

 

[nikhsub1]

They work the same, essentially. The only reason I went with those is because I saw a post where KHC is coming out with some sorcery, so Ill wait till he's done designing. Those camber bolt locks only cost me 150

Well, no they don't work the same. The kit you linked is meant to adjust the camber and caster. A true slot delete kit has no adjustment once installed.

 

[Halo Raptor]

Well, no they don't work the same. The kit you linked is meant to adjust the camber and caster. A true slot delete kit has no adjustment once installed.

I know that. Just using those for now until they finish what I assume would be the Stage 3 kit. I saw some renderings so Ill wait

 

[Rick@FreedomMotorsports]

We are an ICON and Foutz Motorsports re-seller. Have been a FRF forum vendor for over 6 years here and have helped thousands of Raptor owners over the years. One of the advantages of purchasing from an FRF vendor, they can answer your questions and provide insight on your build. So I have to question why folks purchase parts and do not ask the vendor who sold it to them. That is what we are here for.

I would leave the ICON UCA as is when installing and adjust from there. We recommend loosen the pinch bolts to break the locktite (and re-tighten) before installing. It will make it easier for your alignment guy to remove when he need to apply more on the final adjustments (a little container of blue is included in the kit). We have had a few customers tell us that the alignment shop has struggled getting it loose. There is no spanner wrench included with the UCA from ICON. ICON recommends to use a 1/4" cold round punch to do so. They do offer a wrench but you need to get it from them (we don't offer it as its a special order item). That part number is 191014.

As far as slot deletes, we offer the Foutz ones. It comes as kit with multiple options. We recommend to kick out the rear LCA (to provide the most clearance by pushing the wheel forward) and leave the front one in the center or even better yet, let your shop use the ones that works best for your setup.

https://www.foutzmotorsports.com/co...ts/products/raptor-lower-a-arm-slot-block-kit

We offer these products at a great deal for FRF Members. If you have any more questions, more than happy to answer.
Hope I have helped some.
Rick

FYI: I personally have the HEAVY DUTY SPC cam kits on mine (we do sell those too) with the ICON UCA Delta Joints. Yes you can adjust them so they are not delete kits but in my area, I have struggled to find a shop that will adjust using an aftermarket UCA. But I can tell you that I have hit my LCA mounts a LOT of times and to the point that they have been bent back to start damaging the LCA bushing and they did not slip, stayed strong in place. And I have on welded double-plates too. After an alignment, I use marker paint so at a glance I can tell if anything moved when off-roading.

 

[ZackZ]

We are an ICON and Foutz Motorsports re-seller. Have been a FRF forum vendor for over 6 years here and have helped thousands of Raptor owners over the years. One of the advantages of purchasing from an FRF vendor, they can answer your questions and provide insight on your build. So I have to question why folks purchase parts and do not ask the vendor who sold it to them. That is what we are here for.

I would leave the ICON UCA as is when installing and adjust from there. We recommend loosen the pinch bolts to break the locktite (and re-tighten) before installing. It will make it easier for your alignment guy to remove when he need to apply more on the final adjustments (a little container of blue is included in the kit). We have had a few customers tell us that the alignment shop has struggled getting it loose. There is no spanner wrench included with the UCA from ICON. ICON recommends to use a 1/4" cold round punch to do so. They do offer a wrench but you need to get it from them (we don't offer it as its a special order item). That part number is 191014.

As far as slot deletes, we offer the Foutz ones. It comes as kit with multiple options. We recommend to kick out the rear LCA (to provide the most clearance by pushing the wheel forward) and leave the front one in the center or even better yet, let your shop use the ones that works best for your setup.

https://www.foutzmotorsports.com/co...ts/products/raptor-lower-a-arm-slot-block-kit

We offer these products at a great deal for FRF Members. If you have any more questions, more than happy to answer.
Hope I have helped some.
Rick

FYI: I personally have the HEAVY DUTY SPC cam kits on mine (we do sell those too) with the ICON UCA Delta Joints. Yes you can adjust them so they are not delete kits but in my area, I have struggled to find a shop that will adjust using an aftermarket UCA. But I can tell you that I have hit my LCA mounts a LOT of times and to the point that they have been bent back to start damaging the LCA bushing and they did not slip, stayed strong in place. And I have on welded double-plates too. After an alignment, I use marker paint so at a glance I can tell if anything moved when off-roading.

I ended up reaching out to the vendors who helped but also wanted some other opinions as well. Also it’s never a bad thing to have a thread on here so if others have the same questions the answer is readily available to them. Thanks for the clarification tho! That’s why the forum is such a rich place for information.

 

[sixshooter_45]

We are an ICON and Foutz Motorsports re-seller. Have been a FRF forum vendor for over 6 years here and have helped thousands of Raptor owners over the years. One of the advantages of purchasing from an FRF vendor, they can answer your questions and provide insight on your build. So I have to question why folks purchase parts and do not ask the vendor who sold it to them. That is what we are here for.

I would leave the ICON UCA as is when installing and adjust from there. We recommend loosen the pinch bolts to break the locktite (and re-tighten) before installing. It will make it easier for your alignment guy to remove when he need to apply more on the final adjustments (a little container of blue is included in the kit). We have had a few customers tell us that the alignment shop has struggled getting it loose. There is no spanner wrench included with the UCA from ICON. ICON recommends to use a 1/4" cold round punch to do so. They do offer a wrench but you need to get it from them (we don't offer it as its a special order item). That part number is 191014.

As far as slot deletes, we offer the Foutz ones. It comes as kit with multiple options. We recommend to kick out the rear LCA (to provide the most clearance by pushing the wheel forward) and leave the front one in the center or even better yet, let your shop use the ones that works best for your setup.

https://www.foutzmotorsports.com/co...ts/products/raptor-lower-a-arm-slot-block-kit

We offer these products at a great deal for FRF Members. If you have any more questions, more than happy to answer.
Hope I have helped some.
Rick

FYI: I personally have the HEAVY DUTY SPC cam kits on mine (we do sell those too) with the ICON UCA Delta Joints. Yes you can adjust them so they are not delete kits but in my area, I have struggled to find a shop that will adjust using an aftermarket UCA. But I can tell you that I have hit my LCA mounts a LOT of times and to the point that they have been bent back to start damaging the LCA bushing and they did not slip, stayed strong in place. And I have on welded double-plates too. After an alignment, I use marker paint so at a glance I can tell if anything moved when off-roading.

Won't these, Specialty Products 86252 Camber/Caster Kit (Raptor & F150 Hd), accomplish the same thing?

 

[Rick@FreedomMotorsports]

Won't these, Specialty Products 86252 Camber/Caster Kit (Raptor & F150 Hd), accomplish the same thing?

Well yes and no. They are not a true slot delete which locks your lowers where they will not move. You can still adjust with these and have the ability to move when off-roading or hitting a curb hard enough. But like I said, I run these and mine have not moved. Results will vary.

 

[sixshooter_45]

Well yes and no. They are not a true slot delete which locks your lowers where they will not move. You can still adjust with these and have the ability to move when off-roading or hitting a curb hard enough. But like I said, I run these and mine have not moved. Results will vary.

Ok, thanks.

 

[Halo Raptor]

Ok, thanks.

The Camber/Caster lock bolts only help hold the lower LCA in place during hard hits. The KHC slot delete takes all adjust-ability out of the LCA's and also offers support for those exposed mounts. Once these are set they stay and all adjustments are made from the UCA's. This is far superior to the bolts I described as it offers zero movement and added support. I have friends with both, and the ones with the bolts have had zero problems so far. Once even held up to a hit so hard it bent his frame. I am going to wait until the new KHC support he is working on come out, using the bolts for now.

 

[sixshooter_45]

The Camber/Caster lock bolts only help hold the lower LCA in place during hard hits. The KHC slot delete takes all adjust-ability out of the LCA's and also offers support for those exposed mounts. Once these are set they stay and all adjustments are made from the UCA's. This is far superior to the bolts I described as it offers zero movement and added support. I have friends with both, and the ones with the bolts have had zero problems so far. Once even held up to a hit so hard it bent his frame. I am going to wait until the new KHC support he is working on come out, using the bolts for now.

I was wondering if it wouldn't be better to keep the movement of the lower therefore reducing other more costly damage such as a bent frame.