Houston we have a problem! (the bent frame thread)

[Madcowranch]

I don't know where this 500-800 fix came from but I'm calling BS on it. It costs that much to have a frame shop bend the sucker back. Now you have bent it a 2nd time, now it is even weaker, and you haven't even made it so it won't bend again.

I'm not saying that Ford should fix anything and I'm not crying about my truck. I just don't want someone to think that once they bend their frame it is only going to cost 500-800 to fix. An ounce of prevention boys!

I guess what I am saying is go talk to Outlaw BEFORE you push it. Connor will school you on the details. Preventing a bent frame is much easier and cheaper to deal with than after the fact. <- voice of experience talking there.

Jamal guessed a little high on the speed in the video. It was about 50mph tops on the kicker. Did anyone actually think they would admit to a crap design? Come on, who would cut a big hole in the frame right at the highest stress point? I stand by my theory that the frame shouldn't be the weakest link in the system - mine won't be after August 5th!

I must have missed where you talked about it, gotsvt. What would be a better choice as the weakest link in the system?

I got no dog in this fight. Just asking.

 

[Hockster]

So, since you know that the frame shouldn't be the weakest link what do you think should have failed in that situation?

 

[SVTRay]

It was got to finally hear from SVT on this subject!

Anyhow, I was finally able to check my Raptor out today after being out of town for three weeks. The bed and cab yapping is fine and the bump stops look great. I'm going to order a set of SDHQ frame stiffeners when ever I get some free time just to be safe.

 

[Nv Guy]

Rather that have the frame bend, how about having the bump stop on the axle bend? Or using a different bump stop design on the frame end- one where it bends before the frame?
The frame bending as a final answer seems a little extreme.
Kinda like not having a rev limiter, but using under strength connecting rod bolts so the engine kicks the rods out before it floats the valves & bends them.

 

[gotSVT]

Rather that have the frame bend, how about having the bump stop on the axle bend? Or using a different bump stop design on the frame end- one where it bends before the frame?
The frame bending as a final answer seems a little extreme.
Kinda like not having a rev limiter, but using under strength connecting rod bolts so the engine kicks the rods out before it floats the valves & bends them.

Well said.

 

[Hockster]

Rather that have the frame bend, how about having the bump stop on the axle bend? Or using a different bump stop design on the frame end- one where it bends before the frame?
The frame bending as a final answer seems a little extreme.
Kinda like not having a rev limiter, but using under strength connecting rod bolts so the engine kicks the rods out before it floats the valves & bends them.

If that pinion angle plate (also used for the jounce bumper rebound) fails then the axle would fail next...
You would rather have the axle fail and strand you somewhere? I would rather have the vehicle be able to limp home and get me to safety...

 

[Upen]

Rather that have the frame bend, how about having the bump stop on the axle bend? Or using a different bump stop design on the frame end- one where it bends before the frame?
The frame bending as a final answer seems a little extreme.
Kinda like not having a rev limiter, but using under strength connecting rod bolts so the engine kicks the rods out before it floats the valves & bends them.

Jamal stated that the bump stop does indeed yield first. The frame yields once the bump stop fails because of the extreme conditions of the maneuver.

 

[SOCOMech]

Rather that have the frame bend, how about having the bump stop on the axle bend?

I think you're talking about the shelf on the lift block? There's nothing on the axle. I could see that being a cool design but, to "design a weakness" into that shelf wouldn't neccessarily be the most efficient considering it takes hits on more occasions than the hard hits to the frame. So in turn, it could bend over time with lesser impact. The frame being the part that bends does sound extreme but, one of the whole points of this is that it shouldn't be taken to that limit or put in that position in the first place. When it is, it needs to get past the bumpstop first and then to the frame.....and then you can drive out and not be stranded in the middle of nowhere.

 

[gotSVT]

How about building it so it doesn't fail so easily? Clearly it can be done.

 

[AZ SVT]

How about building it so it doesn't fail so easily? Clearly it can be done.

Nothing personal, but this statement kind of ****** me off. It does not fail "so easily." You have to hammer the dog crap out a Raptor to get the frame to fail. The main problem is that some think the Raptor should be indestructible and you have to live in La La Land to think that is even possible. Yes, you can make the frame super strong, but that will only mean something else will break first. I for one will not bend my frame because I'm conservative enough to know I do not want to break my truck. I do not rock-crawl my Raptor because to crawl is to rub, scrape and dent. Like wise, I drive within the operational envelope off road because this is MY truck and MY $$$ is all I have to lose if I "push it to the limit." If it were a sponsored race truck built and maintained with OPM (other people's money) and it was the last mile of the Baja 1000 and I was neck and neck with the race leader and...........But in my reality, nobody is going to pay me ,or even give a shit, if I run faster than the next guy.

Rule #1) If you wanna race, buy a race car. Rule #2) speed cost money, all you have to do is decide how fast do you want to go. Rule #3) if you don't finish the race, you lose.

Like I said, nothing personal, I'm just venting!