Houston we have a problem! (the bent frame thread)

[A.I.I.Raciing]

Plain and simple... Shit breaks off roading. Even $1M trophy trucks break. If you wanna play you gotta pay..... You just have to deal with it!

This is 100% correct, if your not breaking it your not pushing hard enough, the key is to find the weak spots and fix them for the next run. Very rearly does a TT not break something.

The R didn't bend its frame because it didn't even have bump stops lol.
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Their are plenty of race trucks out there that don't run bump stops, they set up the bipass's with a bump built into the shocks. It take more time but it's 1 less part to buy.

 

[pirate air]

This is 100% correct, if your not breaking it your not pushing hard enough, the key is to find the weak spots and fix them for the next run. Very rearly does a TT not break something.


Their are plenty of race trucks out there that don't run bump stops, they set up the bipass's with a bump built into the shocks. It take more time but it's 1 less part to buy.

I figured the shocks would take over the bump stops job, but I wonder if its a coincidence Foutz took that part of the frame out of the equation, or if he knew it would become a problem.

 

[debate]

improvement?

The only real solution I see is to accept it as a week point in the design and take care of the problem yourself by strengthening that particular section.

1) Take off the factory bump stops.

2) Fab a pair of steel bottom plates to match the bottom of that section of the rear frame.

3) Cut a matching pair of tire rubber spacers to seperate the new bottom plates from the rear frame.

4) Zip tie the steel plates and rubber spacers to the frame with plastic coated aircraft cables and and clamps.

Does that sound like a good idea?

 

[gotSVT]

Anybody know the reason the R has completely vertical shocks while ours are angled to the rear?

 

[A.I.I.Raciing]

I figured the shocks would take over the bump stops job, but I wonder if its a coincidence Foutz took that part of the frame out of the equation, or if he knew it would become a problem.

Highly doubtful, when you cage a truck the frame is just a place for the tubes to hit, so if the frame bends on a stock truck this is not a factor in a caged truck

Anybody know the reason the R has completely vertical shocks while ours are angled to the rear?

When you set up leafs on a truck with a bedcage you break down the leafs, cycle the main leaf and get your shock mounting point, doing this allows you to get the most out of your springs and shocks unlike the factory setting. Remember, no 2 leaf springs are the same

 

[pirate air]

I know the guys with the frame issue are hopeing Ford will bail them out; I would, but think about it. The only real fix would be to replace the frame; after it's been tweaked it will never be the same. The only way to replace the frame would be at a dealer, their cost would be astronomical, and besides would you want a truck that’s been took apart, piece by piece from a dealer that most, can't even do an oil change properly? It would be cheaper for Ford to replace the truck, which is a real long shot, not going to happen. Time will tell, but I see the pain increasing for these guys, it's sad, but true. I think a few have stated it correctly, let Ford make a decision and then go fix it yourself (Aftermarket).

I've participated (We always did them in pairs then split the time down the middle) in two frame jobs and witnessed several more. There not as bad as they sound. Everything gets swapped over in big chunks, hardly any part goes piece by piece. Ford probably calls for about 40hrs to replace it. The cab, all the interior, bed, engine, trans, t-case, rear/front axle assembly all stay 99% together while they're transferred. The suspension comes apart in sup-sections so its easier to handle. The bumpers to cab to bed alignment is the the only part that takes a little time.

Anybody know the reason the R has completely vertical shocks while ours are angled to the rear?

Nothing on the R's suspension resembles our trucks suspension.

 

[pirate air]

Highly doubtful, when you cage a truck the frame is just a place for the tubes to hit, so if the frame bends on a stock truck this is not a factor in a caged truck

Looking at the R, wouldn't you encounter problems if the factory bump stop location was used and the frame did bend upwards in the crumple zone like the Raptors pictured? I realize after its been caged the frame is relieved structurally quite a bit. But its still there/used to tie the upper half of the cage together. The distance that the down tubes are welded at would shorten as the frame bent more, putting the upper half of the bed cage in a bind. Wouldn't something eventually have to give as the binding got worse?

 

[Hockster]

I've participated (We always did them in pairs then split the time down the middle) in two frame jobs and witnessed several more. There not as bad as they sound. Everything gets swapped over in big chunks, hardly any part goes piece by piece. Ford probably calls for about 40hrs to replace it. The cab, all the interior, bed, engine, trans, t-case, rear/front axle assembly all stay 99% together while they're transferred. The suspension comes apart in sup-sections so its easier to handle. The bumpers to cab to bed alignment is the the only part that takes a little time.



Nothing on the R's suspension resembles our trucks suspension.

40 hours dam... Hopefully the body mount bolts don't break...LOL... Ive had that happen to many times... They can be such a pain in the ass to remove and Ford dont pay for that...

 

[gotSVT]

I've participated (We always did them in pairs then split the time down the middle) in two frame jobs and witnessed several more. There not as bad as they sound. Everything gets swapped over in big chunks, hardly any part goes piece by piece. Ford probably calls for about 40hrs to replace it. The cab, all the interior, bed, engine, trans, t-case, rear/front axle assembly all stay 99% together while they're transferred. The suspension comes apart in sup-sections so its easier to handle. The bumpers to cab to bed alignment is the the only part that takes a little time.


Nothing on the R's suspension resembles our trucks suspension.

I've had the frame replaced on two trucks before. PA is right, not that big of a deal. I had the truck back in a week.

IMO, SDHQ's kit is ok if you have no frame damage AND buy their bump kit. For me, it doesn't help much. I'm waiting to hear back from Outlaw on their fix. If that doesn't pan out, I'll just fab some plates and re-box that whole section about 18"-24" around the bump stop. I'm also thinking that I can remove the impact plate on the block to gain a couple of inches of upward travel. From my initial look, their is room over the center section. The only question would be bottoming out the shocks in their current position. Thoughts?

 

[Raptorguy21]

This is 100% correct, if your not breaking it your not pushing hard enough, the key is to find the weak spots and fix them for the next run. Very rearly does a TT not break something.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Ol' Robby break the $90K rear axle in the red bull truck first time out??? Just goes to show everything can break........