Ford got the paddle shifters completely wrong

[WhatExit?]

FYI: Ford Raptor Transmission per the Raptor Supplement

Link: http://www.fordservicecontent.com/F...pplement-version-1_su_EN-US-EN-US_10_2016.pdf pages 9 & 10


Understanding your SelectShift™
Automatic Transmission (If Equipped)

Your vehicle is equipped with a SelectShift
automatic transmission gearshift lever and
steering wheel mounted shifter paddles.

The buttons on the gearshift lever and the
shifter paddles serve the same functions.
The SelectShift Automatic transmission
gives you the ability to change gears up or
down (without a clutch) as desired.

In order to prevent the engine from running
at too low an RPM, which may cause it to
stall, SelectShift still automatically makes
some downshifts if it has determined that
you have not downshifted in time.

Although SelectShift will make some
downshifts for you, it still allows you to
downshift at any time as long as the
SelectShift determines that damage will
not be caused to the engine from
over-revving.

SelectShift will not automatically upshift,
even if the engine is approaching the RPM
limit. It must be shifted manually by
pressing the + button or paddle.

Note: Engine damage may occur if you
maintain excessive engine revving without
shifting.

The SelectShift Automatic transmission
feature has two modes: PRS and M mode.
Manual (M)

Moving the gearshift lever to the manual
(M) position allows you to manually select
the gear you desire. Only the current gear
will display. Use the buttons on the
gearshift lever or steering wheel to
manually select gears.

Press the + button
or paddle to upshift or the – button or
paddle to downshift. Return the
transmission to a different gearshift
position to deactivate manual control.


Progressive Range Selection

Progressive Range Selection gives you the
ability to lockout gears from the automatic
shifting range. This may provide you with
an improved driving experience (for
example, in slippery conditions or when
experiencing a steep grade).

With the transmission in drive (D), press
the – button or paddle to active PRS. The
available and selected gears are indicated
on the instrument cluster.

All available gears display with the current
gear indicated. Press the – button or
paddle again to lock out gears beginning
with the highest gear. For example, press
the – button or paddle twice to lock out
10th and 9th gears. Only the available
gears display and the transmission
automatically shifts between the available
gears. Press the + button or paddle to
unlock gears to allow the transmission to
shift to higher gears. The transmission
shifts automatically within the gear range
you select.

 

[smurfslayer]

FYI: Ford Raptor Transmission per the Raptor Supplement

Link: http://www.fordservicecontent.com/F...pplement-version-1_su_EN-US-EN-US_10_2016.pdf pages 9 & 10


Understanding your SelectShift™
Automatic Transmission (If Equipped)

Your vehicle is equipped with a SelectShift
automatic transmission gearshift lever and
steering wheel mounted shifter paddles.

The buttons on the gearshift lever and the
shifter paddles serve the same functions.
The SelectShift Automatic transmission
gives you the ability to change gears up or
down (without a clutch) as desired.

In order to prevent the engine from running
at too low an RPM, which may cause it to
stall, SelectShift still automatically makes
some downshifts if it has determined that
you have not downshifted in time.

Although SelectShift will make some
downshifts for you, it still allows you to
downshift at any time as long as the
SelectShift determines that damage will
not be caused to the engine from
over-revving.

SelectShift will not automatically upshift,
even if the engine is approaching the RPM
limit. It must be shifted manually by
pressing the + button or paddle.

Note: Engine damage may occur if you
maintain excessive engine revving without
shifting.

The SelectShift Automatic transmission
feature has two modes: PRS and M mode.
Manual (M)

Moving the gearshift lever to the manual
(M) position allows you to manually select
the gear you desire. Only the current gear
will display. Use the buttons on the
gearshift lever or steering wheel to
manually select gears.

Press the + button
or paddle to upshift or the – button or
paddle to downshift. Return the
transmission to a different gearshift
position to deactivate manual control.


Progressive Range Selection

Progressive Range Selection gives you the
ability to lockout gears from the automatic
shifting range. This may provide you with
an improved driving experience (for
example, in slippery conditions or when
experiencing a steep grade).

With the transmission in drive (D), press
the – button or paddle to active PRS. The
available and selected gears are indicated
on the instrument cluster.

All available gears display with the current
gear indicated. Press the – button or
paddle again to lock out gears beginning
with the highest gear. For example, press
the – button or paddle twice to lock out
10th and 9th gears. Only the available
gears display and the transmission
automatically shifts between the available
gears. Press the + button or paddle to
unlock gears to allow the transmission to
shift to higher gears. The transmission
shifts automatically within the gear range
you select.

Yup. This is a “grass is greener” discussion, we can’t be bothered with minutiae such as facts.

Jayzuss...

We’re saying that we don’t like the way Ford implemented the paddles in normal mode ( lock out ), but that it would be better served if we could just paddle down to compel a (safe) downshift. I can see where gear lockout could be useful in some use cases. I haven’t really explored it much but I can imagine it.

 

[hkguns]

They’re a bit laggy in my experience.

 

[WhatExit?]

It's a 10-speed transmission with computer(s) to keep drivers from ******* up their $70,000 trucks and screaming at Ford for (1) making a lousy product and (2) claiming warranty issues because they don't know how to operate their vehicle.

You've seen how stupid people are in real life and here on this (and other) forum. Imagine making cars and trucks for a living trying to keep operators from destroying them while they drive.

Unfortunately, EVERYTHING in a production vehicle is a compromise and features have to be produced for the lowest common denominator (for the dumbest humans that could get behind the wheel).

If you happen to be a factory-sponsored race driver you'd be one of the very few who get things customized (un-dumbed down).

 

[Ruby]

Or you can just stomp the gas. The truck will downshift for you. It's almost... automatic


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[jaz13]

ITT people getting annoyed their truck drives in automatic mode when they leave the shift lever is in the automatic position.

Personally I like the flexibility of the lockout because it lets me lockout gears when driving in the mountains and avoid the excessive reliance on overdrive. This is a great feature on uneven terrain. When I want to drive the truck manually, I shift into manual mode. If I want to drop four gears to get around someone spur of the moment, I floor it about 1 second before I need the power and let the truck drop 4 gears and do its thing.

 

[troverman]

The way Ford integrated the paddle shifters on the Gen 2 in regular drive mode is asinine. I understand that if you're in 'M' for manual it should react to whatever up or down shift you select however in 'D' Drive mode it should work like my wife's Infinity works. If I'm cruising in Drive and I hit '-' it should drop a gear, plain and simple, however it doesn't. Unless you're cruising in the top gear it basically drops the upper limit of the available gears down a notch. So if you're in traffic and your loping along in say 7th and have an opportunity to kick it in the butt and get around something you'll have to hit '-' down shift 4 times before you get a down-shift reaction. And when you're done it'll be stuck with that 6th gear upper range until you upshift.

While in drive it 'should' drop a gear regardless of what gear you're in when you hit a single downshift, and since it's in drive it should upshift whenever it's appropriate again. No muss no fuss.

As it works now it's pointless.

Why *should* it work like your wife's Infinity?

Paddle shifts on a 10-speed are pointless anyway. No torque-convertor automatic is going to have really fast and crisp shifting with paddles. Now, a dual-clutch transmission is actually fun to drive with paddles...because it is very fast and feels like a manual...including rollback on inclines.

At least Ford made these paddle shifters high quality...they are made of magnesium and have a nice feel to them. I wish the +/- symbols were lit...they are in our Lincoln...but the Lincoln has awful cheesy plastic flimsy paddles and shifts no quicker than the Raptor.

 

[copb8]

Why *should* it work like your wife's Infinity?

Paddle shifts on a 10-speed are pointless anyway. No torque-convertor automatic is going to have really fast and crisp shifting with paddles. Now, a dual-clutch transmission is actually fun to drive with paddles...because it is very fast and feels like a manual...including rollback on inclines.

At least Ford made these paddle shifters high quality...they are made of magnesium and have a nice feel to them. I wish the +/- symbols were lit...they are in our Lincoln...but the Lincoln has awful cheesy plastic flimsy paddles and shifts no quicker than the Raptor.

Well you said it yourself. As it is the paddle shifters are simply steering wheel jewelery. Why not have them have 'some' value? As it works now you might as well have left them off and relied on the console shifter button to drop the upper limit when needed. The whole point of putting paddle shifters at your finger tips is for immediate access and response.

I'm very familiar with driving dual-clutch paddle shift cars. Very. But it's a complete misconception that the only value paddle-shifters bring is to dual-clutch manu-matic cars. Being able to quickly (relatively) drop 2-3 gears from where where ever you are will get the revs and turbos spooled up so that when you hit the go-pedal you'll get more immediate throttle response. That seems pretty obvious to me.

 

[troverman]

Well you said it yourself. As it is the paddle shifters are simply steering wheel jewelery. Why not have them have 'some' value? As it works now you might as well have left them off and relied on the console shifter button to drop the upper limit when needed. The whole point of putting paddle shifters at your finger tips is for immediate access and response.

I'm very familiar with driving dual-clutch paddle shift cars. Very. But it's a complete misconception that the only value paddle-shifters bring is to dual-clutch manu-matic cars. Being able to quickly (relatively) drop 2-3 gears from where where ever you are will get the revs and turbos spooled up so that when you hit the go-pedal you'll get more immediate throttle response. That seems pretty obvious to me.

If you are in Drive, and to use the paddles to drop down a gear or two quickly...just pull the shifter back into Manual mode. Now, the current gear the truck is in is selected...and a flick of the paddle will drop it down a gear. Because it is in Manual mode, you can also shift back up, too. I realize its an extra step, but since M is the last position you can pretty quickly notch the shifter from Drive back to M and then subsequently back to Drive. If I need to use the paddles, that's how I do it.

The problem I find is that the steps between gears are very small. Dropping or adding one gear makes little difference, in my opinion. The 10-speed was clearly designed with fuel economy, not performance, in mind.

I *wish* this truck was offered with a slick 6-speed manual. That would have made it truly perfect.

 

[Mistacheese]

I *wish* this truck was offered with a slick 6-speed manual. That would have made it truly perfect.

Manual ALL THE THINGS!