GEN 2 Cobb Stage 2 Tune While Under Warranty?

[K223]

hmm I ordered the part but will look into this before I install, thanks

@realjones88 is correct. I researched the Roush power packs quite a bit. Do let us know how the truck performs with it.

 

[Raptor28]

From my past experience, every time I brought my car/truck that was tuned to the dealer for issues they blamed the time and wouldn’t fix it.

 

[FordTechOne]

What my suggestion is to buy a Roush CAI (Because its considered a ford part) and a stock location aftermarket IC, i went with whipple. And then buy the cobb accessport. You will still see a tremendous increase in HP and Torq and will have a much easier time getting your local dealer to warranty issues. Also i would recommend removing the tune prior to taking it in for warranty work but that is obvious.

Only parts sold by Ford Performance are considered Ford parts, and even those come with their own separate warranty in many cases.

Roush is not Ford, Roush is a 3rd party company.

 

[FordTechOne]

If you have Roush installed by a dealer your warranty is still in effect.

Your manufacturer powertrain warranty is still in effect, but if a failure occurs that is attributed to the Roush modifications/tune, the failure will be non-warrantable.

This is the reason that Roush provides their own 3/36k powertrain warranty. So if you’re out of Roush’s powertrain mileage by time or mileage and you experience an engine or transmission failure, Ford is not going to cover it under your 5/60k.

 

[FordTechOne]

that’s strange because Most save the ECU DATA and re flash that back
On. My good buddy who’s a master tech Advised me I’m fine and then went to explain that the ECU tracks key cycles. Based on the experience I had with my Focus ST and an accessport, and the experience I’ve had with my raptor, I’m going to say he’s right and your buddy might be talking other tuning options like sct or ngage?

Brett is correct. The ECU tracks much more than just key cycles. Other modules set DTCs as well, which creates a paper trail.

When a major powertrain failure occurs and aftermarket modifications are in question, Ford will often send out a Firld Service Engineer (FSE) to inspect the vehicle.

After inspection, the FSE - not the dealer - will be making the warranty determination. So for those that claim mods depend on dealer, not true. Dealers are also held accountable if they repair a modified vehicle under warranty, up to and including full chargeback. That is why many will contact Ford and request an FSE before they lay a finger on it; they don’t want to make the determination and they don’t want to get charged back.

Dealers that sell modified vehicles and repair issues caused by the modifications under factory warranty are in violation of the Warranty & Policy manual. They are criminals; if they’re lying to Ford on warranty, what are they lying to their customers about? If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

 

[FordTechOne]

They would have to prove that the access port was the cause of failure in the part that failed.

That is a common misconception and is simply not true. When you modify the vehicle’s calibration, you are assuming all responsibility for any and all issues or failures that may be attributed to that modification.

Manufacturers spend millions of dollars every year developing calibrations that ensure engine long term durability, performance, driveability, and emissions compliance. It is not the responsibility of the manufacturer to reverse-engineer your modified calibration to prove that your changes caused the failure.

 

[Dustan]

It would be ****** of Ford to deny a cam phaser claim because of a tune but I wouldn’t put it past them. Pay to play and if you have to ask you already know that tuning isn’t for you.

 

[FordTechOne]

It would be ****** of Ford to deny a cam phaser claim because of a tune but I wouldn’t put it past them. Pay to play and if you have to ask you already know that tuning isn’t for you.

You're taking it to the other extreme. It's about failures that are attributable to an aftermarket tune. If there is a service message/bulletin published for the issue, the dealer and Ford have zero reason to suspect that an aftermarket component caused the failure.

They're not out looking to deny warranty claims. But as a company, they also aren't out to fund someone's build project that experiences failures due to aftermarket calibrations and components. If anything, Ford corporate is pretty lenient when it comes to mods, I've never seen them deny powertrain warranty because someone installed an aftermarket intercooler or catch can, unless there was an obvious issue like a poor connection resulting in dirt ingestion (dusting).

On a side note, Ford updated the PCM calibration for 2017-2018 vehicles that experienced the cam phaser noise issue. If you install an aftermarket tune, ensure that the tuner has implemented those same calibration updates into their file.

 

[K223]

You're taking it to the other extreme. It's about failures that are attributable to an aftermarket tune. If there is a service message/bulletin published for the issue, the dealer and Ford have zero reason to suspect that an aftermarket component caused the failure.

They're not out looking to deny warranty claims. But as a company, they also aren't out to fund someone's build project that experiences failures due to aftermarket calibrations and components. If anything, Ford corporate is pretty lenient when it comes to mods, I've never seen them deny powertrain warranty because someone installed an aftermarket intercooler or catch can, unless there was an obvious issue like a poor connection resulting in dirt ingestion (dusting).

On a side note, Ford updated the PCM calibration for 2017-2018 vehicles that experienced the cam phaser noise issue. If you install an aftermarket tune, ensure that the tuner has implemented those same calibration updates into their file.

Now that’s some note worthy information regarding IC’s and catch cans. The reality is if they are installed correctly, they can be a benefit to the engine.

Now if someone had a turbo burn up and had an aftermarket IC, would a dealer or ford look to fault this modification? Or not necessarily?

 

[Dustan]

On a side note, Ford updated the PCM calibration for 2017-2018 vehicles that experienced the cam phaser noise issue. If you install an aftermarket tune, ensure that the tuner has implemented those same calibration updates into their file.

good info, I would assume Cobb would be on this. Anyone know?