Catastrophic engine failure, what would you do?

[Booth9999]

power train is for life at most dealers

You wish! You may have beeen told a tall tail. I’ve bought plenty of new cars and trucks and I have NEVER heard that unless you purchase it in addition or the dealer has some special incentives but you better get that in writing.

 

[jaz13]

power train is for life at most dealers

LOL, if you fall for that, let me show you this bridge I have for sale. I'll give you a really good price since I know what a hard negotiator you are!

 

[icecoldak]

With a mild tune like you had, I would have never said a word! These motors are very capable to handle more power!!

 

[Truckzor]

These motors are very capable to handle more power!!

Unfortunately, the evidence does not support your assertion.

 

[smurfslayer]

Completely irrelevant. The question wasn't "who do you interact with for warranty claims"

The post I quoted said most dealers give lifetime warranty on the drivetrain. This is not accurate. Your drivetrain and bumper to bumper warranty periods are not provided to you by the dealer. They are a manufacturer warranty and they are not lifetime. You can get add-on warranties through third parties, but that too is not relevant because that isn't what's being discussed.

The warranty is a factory/manufacturer warranty (meaning from Ford, not Ford dealers) and it is NOT lifetime.

I am not disputing who the warranty comes from or his ultimately honored by. I am saying your description is too simplistic, and your legal understanding is correct, but your practical understanding that the manufacturer’s ‘agents’ who service the vehicle have nothing to do with it, is wrong. The manufacturer isn’t on site to tell if your component parts suffered a failure and determining if your truck was flashed and if the 2 are related.

 

[smurfslayer]

Unfortunately, the evidence does not support your assertion.

show us your evidence then.

You know, original source material from tuners or Ford. Not silly internet hearsay.

 

[jabroni619]

I am not disputing who the warranty comes from or his ultimately honored by. I am saying your description is too simplistic, and your legal understanding is correct, but your practical understanding that the manufacturer’s ‘agents’ who service the vehicle have nothing to do with it, is wrong. The manufacturer isn’t on site to tell if your component parts suffered a failure and determining if your truck was flashed and if the 2 are related.

Still not relevant to warranty period. You’re arguing a completely different point than I am.

 

[Quaesta]

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[Ironwood]

Completely irrelevant. The question wasn't "who do you interact with for warranty claims"

The post I quoted said most dealers give lifetime warranty on the drivetrain. This is not accurate. Your drivetrain and bumper to bumper warranty periods are not provided to you by the dealer. They are a manufacturer warranty and they are not lifetime. You can get add-on warranties through third parties, but that too is not relevant because that isn't what's being discussed.

The warranty is a factory/manufacturer warranty (meaning from Ford, not Ford dealers) and it is NOT lifetime.

Maybe you bought your Raptor at the wrong dealer. https://www.fivestarfordsm.com/Five-Star-Exclusive-Lifetime-Warranty.html

 

[OPT PRIME]

Makes you wonder if that's the reason we haven't seen the "Ford Performance Tune" that was rumored to be "coming soon" over a year ago.

That’s kind of my theory. When they further boosted the 3.5 and ran their usual 300 hour dynos with all the shock cooling I can guarantee you they didn’t come up with 450 on the first run. Furthermore, we don’t know if those Whipple/Ford Performance tunes weren’t leaked out of the R&D cell to begin with and explored via third parties like Whipple.

Two options:

Ford is having too many problems with internal parts on the 3.5 to even consider more power.

And/or

Ford took the FP tune and the engine did not make the 300 hour endurance test.

I do wonder if the original intent was to build a 7.0 Raptor that is significantly less complicated and more reliable at that power level but marketing stepped in and wanted a solution 2 years sooner; so they put different pistons and turbos on their latest engine which allowed them to capture insane margins during the OEMs best years, 2016-2018.

It’s times like this I think old MGD knew someone on the inside, he’s right, the 3.5 was not ready for big power (over stock levels). What else could Ford have done? They couldn’t drop down from the 6.2 to the 5.0 on their flagship. No, marketing needed numbers and they boosted the 3.5 to its max limit for durability. Dealers were stoked to make $50k off their units(with markups in places like Chicago, OC).


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