Catastrophic engine failure, what would you do?

[OPT PRIME]

Guys here is the reality.
Stock Raptor: 122HP/L
Tuned Raptor: 151HP/L
Stock 2019 911 Turbo: 142HP/L

A fellow instructor of mine had a Turbo 996 that saw a track weekend for over ten years, north of 20,000 track miles when he sold the vehicle with the original engine still in place. A new engine for the Porsche is 5x as much money and puts down less HP/L than a tuned Ecoboost.

The reality, Ford has NOT figured out a way to make a $6000 (1/5th the cost) engine reliable at those power levels, no one can. The material selection, testing and assembly procures are wildly different. I honestly feel the stock raptor is marginal at 450 and seeing all the problems here wish I had NOT tuned the engine. That being said I will be ordering a long block ahead of the curve and shoving one into the corner of my garage for when mine goes, that day is coming. Round two is going to have a a better lubrication system.

 

[BangBang]

I don’t disagree, I’m not ruling out that option.

I literally gave my truck to service and walked into sales and bought a 2019 Bullitt, so I have some faith that they’ll work with me here.

So, as I read this you are worried about $2k here and $2k there when looking at this $11k-$20k engine repair.

But, spent $45k on a Bullet?

 

[CatchMeOffroad]

it is interesting that the SM says that they've seen this happen in other F150's. Were those others also tuned? If not, it would seem obvious to me that you'd have a case for a warranty repair?

I think you might be confusing me with OP. Mine was not tuned, and I am not sure about the other ones which the SM was referring to. He just said he has seen this issue before, and confirmed that most were not on Raptors. My engine was replaced under warranty. Hope that helps...

 

[NickSim]

So, as I read this you are worried about $2k here and $2k there when looking at this $11k-$20k engine repair.

But, spent $45k on a Bullet?

The subject is where should I go from here, is that not worth asking?

Besides, I’d wager that “2k here and 2k there” is relevant to most people... especially those who recently made a large purchase for their father, a gift long time coming and not an impulse buy.

My apologies if I gave the wrong impression.

 

[solsurfr]

I think you might be confusing me with OP. Mine was not tuned, and I am not sure about the other ones which the SM was referring to. He just said he has seen this issue before, and confirmed that most were not on Raptors. My engine was replaced under warranty. Hope that helps...

Yup, got it confused with the OP. Thanks.

 

[TJL442]

The subject is where should I go from here, is that not worth asking?

Besides, I’d wager that “2k here and 2k there” is relevant to most people... especially those who recently made a large purchase for their father, a gift long time coming and not an impulse buy.

My apologies if I gave the wrong impression.

So you bought your dad the Bullet Mustang?

Tim

 

[df4801]

Guys here is the reality.
Stock Raptor: 122HP/L
Tuned Raptor: 151HP/L
Stock 2019 911 Turbo: 142HP/L

A fellow instructor of mine had a Turbo 996 that saw a track weekend for over ten years, north of 20,000 track miles when he sold the vehicle with the original engine still in place. A new engine for the Porsche is 5x as much money and puts down less HP/L than a tuned Ecoboost.

The reality, Ford has NOT figured out a way to make a $6000 (1/5th the cost) engine reliable at those power levels, no one can. The material selection, testing and assembly procures are wildly different. I honestly feel the stock raptor is marginal at 450 and seeing all the problems here wish I had NOT tuned the engine. That being said I will be ordering a long block ahead of the curve and shoving one into the corner of my garage for when mine goes, that day is coming. Round two is going to have a a better lubrication system.

Agree. You should not have done the tune.

 

[BangBang]

The subject is where should I go from here, is that not worth asking?

Besides, I’d wager that “2k here and 2k there” is relevant to most people... especially those who recently made a large purchase for their father, a gift long time coming and not an impulse buy.

My apologies if I gave the wrong impression.

It is relevant.

But, what I know is that if I could plop down $46k when I just was just in eyesight of the dealer, and just happened to need to stop in because my motor went, and then drive off in a new Mustang.

Then $2k here or there would be irrelevant.

That is why I was confused on such a purchase of a Bulliit.

Tell your Dad to drive it like he stole it

 

[Crash33]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around them offering you $37k for a Gen 2 that needs $13k in work (that's retail) as a trade for another vehicle on their lot with a straight face. They're offering you less than $50k?

 

[zombiekiller]

hey, so guess what? when i had issues with my truck it was making ****** noises. Had it towed to the dealer. they thought it jumped timing and needed a new motor. At very least they thought i would need a couple new pistons and a new head.

It ended up being 2 clogged injectors and a dirty fuel rail.

Been running for 8K since the "fix" without issue. Even towed a car on a trailer from NJ to new orleans without issue.

don't lose hope yet. and if it is a grenaded motor, to the other posters' points, make them correlate the failure to your tune. And yes, you need to understand how and get a copy of the computer logs.

worst case, warranty denial and you spend the coin for a new shortblock ( under 3K) and pay someone you trust to do the swap. make sure to remember to have the "evidence" returned to the dealer in the event of litigation, since you're sure your lawyer will request that they produce it. ( this is total ********, but it would be rewarding for me to know that the dealership staff ran around losing their minds trying to figure out what to do with it, until the GM figured out what they were doing and blew his top for their stupidity.)

shit dude, most people spend a lot more than what you'll spend to get the motor sorted on their front coilovers and shocks when they upgrade. (myself included.)