Can the stock motor support a supercharger

[EricM]

293 CFM intake at 500 lift is pretty good for any stock cast head. 400+ HP N/A is good for any gasoline engine. Ford developed the 6.2L 15+ years ago- and they are still making the same engine with essentially no changes.

The 3.5L Cyclone engine on the other hand, it never made more than 260ish HP N/A and has had a ton of revisions. It got turbos added to make another 100 HP back in 2009, any Ford has been upping the boost and dicking around with the timing and fueling components ever since in search of more power- but still only hitting 450 HP as of 2023. The TT 3.5L really doesn't make much more power HP than the N/A 6.2L, it's the boost and low end tq/grunt that people enjoy. When you enjoy that low end grunt though, there's nothing "Eco" about it.

If you like that low end grunt- get the R. Nothing can beat a V8 with a positive displacement blower for that shove-you-in-the-back feeling at any RPM, in any gear. Can't afford 100K for an R? Put a blower on your 6.2L. The drivetrain will be fine if you are not a moron. If something does break- upgrade it. It's not that big of a deal.

 

[kocher93]

Considering the dealer markups and insane property tax bill its just not worth the cost. Same applies to the Raptor R. I love the 1st Gen Raptors and if I can modernize it and get some good performance at a fraction of a new TRX or R price that's my route. Taking a mortgage out for a performance truck is just crazy

You can get below MSRP orders on TRXs, it's on their forums. The deal I saw was 9500 off a base truck. I get what you mean though, it's an expensive ass truck, but the resale on these trucks are pretty good too.
I wish a mortgage was TRX priced, living in SF bay area has me thinking 2 million dollar houses are normal prices.

 

[tmp123]

You can get below MSRP orders on TRXs, it's on their forums. The deal I saw was 9500 off a base truck. I get what you mean though, it's an expensive ass truck, but the resale on these trucks are pretty good too.
I wish a mortgage was TRX priced, living in SF bay area has me thinking 2 million dollar houses are normal prices.

Word of advice, move away from SF asap. Cali is a dumpster fire

 

[New recaros]

Just leave all that liberal cra p there.

 

[FordTechOne]

293 CFM intake at 500 lift is pretty good for any stock cast head. 400+ HP N/A is good for any gasoline engine. Ford developed the 6.2L 15+ years ago- and they are still making the same engine with essentially no changes.

You must be living under a rock, the 6.2 has been out of production for years now. It replaced the 5.4 as the base model Super Duty/E-Series engine but lacked the low end torque to replace the V10. The 7.3/6.8 made the 6.2 obsolete; they do everything better and in a more compact package.

The 3.5L Cyclone engine on the other hand, it never made more than 260ish HP N/A and has had a ton of revisions. It got turbos added to make another 100 HP back in 2009, any Ford has been upping the boost and dicking around with the timing and fueling components ever since in search of more power- but still only hitting 450 HP as of 2023. The TT 3.5L really doesn't make much more power HP than the N/A 6.2L, it's the boost and low end tq/grunt that people enjoy. When you enjoy that low end grunt though, there's nothing "Eco" about it.

Well good thing the Gen 2 EcoBoost has nothing to do with the Gen 1 3.5 that you keep referencing. You’ve been corrected on this many times over, but you keep regurgitating the same garbage. Early Alzheimer’s setting in?

You state “Only” 450HP out of a 3.5 TT? Yet you think 400HP out of a 6.2L engine weighing 600lbs is impressive??

You nice again, this thread had NOTHING to do with the 3.5 of either generation. Your insecurities are clearly showing though; you continue to bring it up and post blatantly false information because you have an inferiority complex.

If you like that low end grunt- get the R. Nothing can beat a V8 with a positive displacement blower for that shove-you-in-the-back feeling at any RPM, in any gear. Can't afford 100K for an R? Put a blower on your 6.2L. The drivetrain will be fine if you are not a moron. If something does break- upgrade it. It's not that big of a deal.

Lol. The 6.2 is a dog even with a blower, you been hitting the bottle again? There is absolutely no comparison between a Raptor R and a boat anchor 6.2 with an aftermarket blower slapped on it, you’re delusional. You’re taking an 8 second 0-60 truck and knocking off a couple seconds, it’s still slow and on borrowed time. Raptor R is 4 seconds 0-60 all day, an 6.2 with a giant heat pump slapped on it can barely keep up with a stock Gen 2.

As far as the driveline, you’re once again far off in left field. Axle wind up is a major issue, and Gen 1’s don’t have full time 4WD, so you have no chance of effectively putting that power down. The increase in torque also chews up the 6R80 planetary bushings over time, resulting in metal in the fluid and subsequent failures. Personally seen it on Roush trucks; very common because they were upfitted with the aftermarket parts at very low mileage. Neither the engine nor driveline is designed to support the addition of a blower, but you continue to mislead people with your baseless and nonsensical claims.

But hey, just upgrade it right?? A built transmission, driveshaft, new long block, new axles, “it’s not that big a deal” as you claim Just drop the $30k into a truck that’s only worth that much. Are you footing OP’s bills? Because you sure think tens of thousands in repairs and upgrades are no big deal.

So once again, enough with your insecurities and childish behavior; stop bringing up unrelated vehicles in this thread. OP asked for advice and all you’ve done is mislead him and minimize valid concerns while trying (and failing as always) to take shots newer trucks that outperform your old G1.

I’m sure all of the guys on here that have blown up their 6.2’s with a supercharger also appreciate you calling them “morons”, you act like it’s their fault the aftermarket advertises and sells a supercharger kit that the engine can’t handle. And yet you’re always first in line to tell the next sucker to waste $10k on an S/C and damage their truck. What is wrong with you?

 

[Nex]

It's not always about the resale value if you plan on keeping the truck. Otherwise a lot of mid travel trucks wouldn't get built up. Is money important? Sure. But so are memories off pavement.

 

[FordTechOne]

Considering the dealer markups and insane property tax bill its just not worth the cost. Same applies to the Raptor R. I love the 1st Gen Raptors and if I can modernize it and get some good performance at a fraction of a new TRX or R price that's my route. Taking a mortgage out for a performance truck is just crazy

That’s what I’m not following. Yes, new vehicles are expensive, just like everything else. But you’re getting a lot of truck for your money, as well as a full warranty.

It makes more financial sense to buy a brand new Raptor at $77k than to drop $30k+ into an 11 year old truck that you’ll never get back. Not only that, but a new Raptor out performs your old one in every regard, S/C kit or not.

As far as dealer markups, travel out of state to find one at MSRP. I drove 10 hours each way purchase mine without any markup or dealer add-on junk/fees.

 

[EricM]

You must be living under a rock, the 6.2 has been out of production for years now.

The 6.2L ran until 2022 in the Super Duty trucks. Want to swing at that one again?

"IT'S NOT A CYCLONE!" Keep telling yerself that.

 

[FordTechOne]

The 6.2L ran until 2022 in the Super Duty trucks. Want to swing at that one again?

"IT'S NOT A CYCLONE!" Keep telling yerself that.

I don’t have to “tell myself” anything, you’re wrong. You’ve consistently posted the same baseless claim over the years on here regardless of the facts being provided straight from the manufacturer by multiple people.

The 3.5 had absolutely NOTHING to do with this thread. Why did you bring it up and start in with your incoherent ramblings? Because you’re an insecure person with an inferiority complex, so you tried to divert the topic by badmouthing newer trucks that you don’t have even the most basic understanding of nor experience with.

But hey, it was a modified Cyclone from a Taurus that powered the Ford GT wind at Le Mans right? Keep telling “yerself” that!

You’re upset because answered OP’s question from a factual perspective instead of replying with useless comments like “It won’t break, but if it does just upgrade it and waste more money, it’s no big deal!!”

Meanwhile OP has posted a separate thread disassembling his engine and found it was burning oil and had scored cylinder walls. So he was smart enough not to follow your worthless “advice”.

As far as the 6.2, it went out of production in 2022 model year, as if anyone really cared. Regardless, your initial post was still wrong. But nice try saving face.

 

[Gumby]

Wow... Just got home from work. This has become a hornets nest. LOL Not sure where to start .

It's not always about the resale value if you plan on keeping the truck.

This 100%

It makes more financial sense to buy a brand new Raptor at $77k than to drop $30k+ into an 11 year old truck that you’ll never get back.

All I can say is ?????? LOL You will never get your money back from either one. in the terms of the loan.
back to what NEX said. so 77k is a lot more than 30k by 47k That is another GEN1 and might get you in a GEN2

If something does break- upgrade it. It's not that big of a deal.

These are my thoughts also. Not every one will go to the dealer to fix their stuff. I personally fix my own stuff

The 3.5 had absolutely NOTHING to do with this thread

I am sorry WAS MY FULT!!!!! I ask about the flow Numbers for 3.5
Again... sorry. Curiosity stirred up a big old hornets nest.