Cam Phaser/Engine Failure Reports

[smurfslayer]

I understand that the spring may weaken over time but this part is also lubricated by the oil system which could lead to deposits forming inside the unit. Which would then inhibit the pin from properly setting and not allowing the phaser to fall into the correct position. From what I see you have a few part that are prone to fail and bind if not properly lubricate. The additive we have developed stops this exact issue. We first starting using this for lubrication in drill mud system where torque is a big problem that leads to failures. If our product is stable during drilling for oil and gas, working inside of an engine to perform the same task is not an issue.

I do not doubt what you are saying, it is just odd that I add this chemical to my engine oil and the problem has stopped. Engine performance is better than new. Only time will tell if this is an alternative.

an oil analysis after a few thousand miles would be interesting.

 

[Badgertits]

I think this is a very plausible theory and look forward to hearing more about the testing. My cam phasers on my 2018 have started making noise on startup too! . I have 31k miles on it and change the oil and filter myself religiously. I’ve also had a JLT catch can on it from the start. I’m sure one of the FRF members probably has a failed cam phasers for you to evaluate to help support this theory. I like to cover all the bases but in the end if it works it works. I also wonder if tolerances on the cam phasers is an issue. If the tolerances are tighter the cam phasers is more likely to get coked.


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Did the dealer say anything about your catch can when you brought it in for phasers?

 

[1BAD454SSv2]

I wonder if you guys try let the truck idle for a few min before shutting it off. I know it has helped Gen 1 with the 6.2 tick at startup . Maybe letting it idle allows the phaser to park itself.

 

[Kuan]

Yes and no, the particles that are not picked up by the filter will have a similar effect to prist. The metal walls throughout the lubrication system will also have a film (microscopic) layer formed by this additive which inhibits particles from collecting and depositing.

What we are working on now is determining the proper ratio to be most effective. I started at a very low dosage over concerns that I would change the oil viscosity too much for the first trial. I will have to wait until I change my oil to see if we should increase the next time or remain the same.

Looking forward to seeing how this works out. I think that you are definitely on to something. In the bigger picture, why is the oil getting degraded/coked? Why is it this engine and not the others?

 

[Badgertits]

Looking forward to seeing how this works out. I think that you are definitely on to something. In the bigger picture, why is the oil getting degraded/coked? Why is it this engine and not the others?

This isn’t just a raptor/HO 3.5 issue, it’s a Ford issue. 5.0 Coyote can have phaser issue.

 

[Bhollier]

I wonder if you guys try let the truck idle for a few min before shutting it off. I know it has helped Gen 1 with the 6.2 tick at startup . Maybe letting it idle allows the phaser to park itself.

I normally did this since I purchased my Raptor but still ended up having the cam phaser issue. Lately I have not been doing this and have not had issues after we started the oil treatment.

 

[Bhollier]

Looking forward to seeing how this works out. I think that you are definitely on to something. In the bigger picture, why is the oil getting degraded/coked? Why is it this engine and not the others?

Coking and degradation happens in all oils to some extent. This is where different manufactures use different chemical compounds to aide in stopping these issues while still having the same filming effects working as a detergent to remove particulates.

In turbo engines it can be more due to the high temps the turbos operate at.

 

[Raptus]

Did the dealer say anything about your catch can when you brought it in for phasers?

My chem teasers have not been changed yet I’m scheduled to go in The first part of January. I do not plan to take the catch can off.


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[Raptus]

Coking and degradation happens in all oils to some extent. This is where different manufactures use different chemical compounds to aide in stopping these issues while still having the same filming effects working as a detergent to remove particulates.

In turbo engines it can be more due to the high temps the turbos operate at.

@Bhollier can I try your additive to see if it works on my cam phasers? Rather do that than have the front of the engine torn off!


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[Bhollier]

@Bhollier can I try your additive to see if it works on my cam phasers? Rather do that than have the front of the engine torn off!


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