Cam Phaser/ Engine Failure Poll

Have you had or have a cam phaser or engine failure on your Gen 2?


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A good technician (most Ford Techs) certified in Specialty 32 (engine repair) can pull the timing cover, replace all 4 phasers, and have it back together within factory specs in less than a day. Even as a technician myself, the work some of these guys do is amazing. They lose money if they do it wrong or have a comeback; most have their specialty down to a science.


My issue is that I have already modified my engine beyond what a warranty would cover. If I have major issues I would rather just swap the entire engine out, rather than fixing in hopes the problem will not come back in the future. Plus I really don't trust mechanics at the Ford dealership. I don't even trust them to do a basic oil change, why would I want them to do major engine work.
 
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@FordTechOne I noticed today that if I allow my engine a cool down period, 2-5 min before shutdown. When restarting I have no strange noises (cam phaser rattle), is there something to this? All my temps and pressures are as the are during a normal shutdown. Just wondering if I allow the engine the extra period to return to an idle phase if this helps. I typically do not shutdown my engine after running it hard, I always allow some time to shutdown after running it hard such as highway driving or towing. Curious as to your thoughts on this, as my other turbo vehicles don't behave the same way.
 

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Is there any chance it’s the auto-stop feature? I’ve read through the second half of this thread. Was just curious what’s up.
 
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Is there any chance it’s the auto-stop feature? I’ve read through the second half of this thread. Was just curious what’s up.

I always thought this, but my truck only had auto start for the first 300 miles. Nothing has been stock after that. What is weird on mine is that the start up rattle just as everyone that had cam phaser issues, doesn't happen at every start. Was doing it a lot last week but since Friday I haven't heard it once. Very odd, I am getting close to my oil change so maybe that has something to do with it. No clue hat might have caused the rattle to start.
 

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Wonder if the used oil is causing the phaser solenoid(s) to stick which is causing the phaser to get stuck in a position. I believe the solenoids have very small screens for the oil to pass through. Maybe fine particles have clogged one up lodging and dislodging affecting the solenoid function.

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Another victim of Cam Phasers failure. 2017 with 43k miles. Started before that but finally took it in. Now as I've been reading through the 28 pages I noticed every one is saying on start up is where you'll notice the issue which my does but it got so bad that going down the freeway it would start grinding/rattling whenever I adjusted my speed. Not every time but very common. Dealer has it and said it was in fact Cam Phasers failure . My main question was if that has caused any long term damage or reliability issues that I should worry about and I was told "no, not at all. This is very common." That's what led me here.
 
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Another victim of Cam Phasers failure. 2017 with 43k miles. Started before that but finally took it in. Now as I've been reading through the 28 pages I noticed every one is saying on start up is where you'll notice the issue which my does but it got so bad that going down the freeway it would start grinding/rattling whenever I adjusted my speed. Not every time but very common. Dealer has it and said it was in fact Cam Phasers failure . My main question was if that has caused any long term damage or reliability issues that I should worry about and I was told "no, not at all. This is very common." That's what led me here.


This is what I don't get, if Ford and the dealerships all say it is a common problem why hasn't a recall been initiated. Sounds like a class action lawsuit brewing at some point.
 

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common problem to a mechanic or service advisor or service staff means different things to different people. Even with as many --individual-- people as you have here reporting the failure, it’s less than 1%. add up the -actual- individual, unique reports, discounting the dog piling and you see why.

I’m not saying that to make light of the issue, especially to those who have had to endure it, just trying to illustrate why it’s just getting fixed the way it is.

- it’s a system, consisting of the phasers, actuators, gears, chains and tensioners.
- if a part in the system goes south, there’s a chance other parts could be over stressed. Think of it like tendon damage.
- if the actuators aren’t working, what’s the collateral effects?
- if the phasers themselves are actually bad, what does that affect?
can one lead to another component failure?

The answer is ... it depends. You may have nothing but bad actuators. Or, you may have had a marginal phaser and a bad actuator and it stretched the timing chain or worse.

Or you could have no problem at all with phasers like 99% of the eco boost owners.

Common problem to the guy who has to do the actual repair means more to the guy pulling the engine apart than it does to us sitting here on a keyboard complaining about it.

It’s not being recalled because it’s not a “safety issue”. The closest thing we’ve seen to a safety issue reported on FRF for the 2017+ is the low oil condition that brings on limp home mode when you floor it. That’s a legit safety issue because you could be injured or killed as a result of the problem. I’m not aware of a cam phaser issue causing limp home mode... maybe there’s been one? anyway, that’s why there’s no recall. It’s still profitable for Ford to fix the errant vehicles under the warranty.
 
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