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And for the record, what is the recommended fluid change interval for the ICON's Greg?
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ICON said their coil overs should be serviced every 12-15 months or about 15k miles..
Again, that number varies how you use/abuse them.. Someone out running Barstow every weekend wont get that long out of them. Verses daily driver who beats on them once and twice a year.
-Greg
I'll be keeping my RPG bump kit. Might lower the pressure a hair and tighten the long tube compression to compensate but I know for a fact I'm still bottoming out the bumps with the icons on.
And I thought ICON said they added metal to the stock bump location on thier truck and can't say for sure thier frame is still straight...
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Originally Posted by Reeking_HVAC
Does the icon truck have any frame support? Or do the internal bumps prevent hard hits on the factory bumps? Trying to decide if I should just go with icons instead on stage 2/3 from RPG
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The ICON Raptor has a support plate that runs under the factory bumpstop we made real quick, but nothing of any significant value. The shocks really do eat up so much energy before the OEM bumpstop can slam down which in-turn leads to bending of the frame. Is the frame perfectly strait like out of the factory, I doubt 100%, but it is in pretty good shape for what it has been through. 20- 25k miles of street driving, attending misc indoor and outdoor events, harsh testing on long whooped out roads including jumping the truck, Outlaw Creatures of the Night Raptor run, chasing at KOH, towing our Jeep to SEMA and back (Socal to Vegas) and probably more I can not think of. Hopefully that paints a picture of what ICON's Raptor has done in its existance so far. We feel our 3.0 shocks bring a huge value to the table both front and rear, tapping into further performance potential this truck had to offer.
With that said, is there reason to install a full frame support bumpstop kit? It def can not hurt if it's in your budget, especially if you plan to use your Raptor more serious than what would be considered "average / normal". There is truth the frame could be a little more robust in that region from the factory, but it was likely never expected people would be doing what they are at some of the extreme levels we have seen. "Off Roading" is very open to interpretation, and I know first hand many of you extreme enthusiast out there give these Raptors a serious beating on runs and such. Soon ICON plans to engineer frame support bumpstop kits, with our new hydraulic air bump stops, that will be specifically valved / tuned to work with the factory 2.5 or ICON 3.0 rear shocks depending what you have.
And I thought ICON said they added metal to the stock bump location on thier truck and can't say for sure thier frame is still straight...
---------- Post added at 05:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:41 PM ----------
Originally Posted by Reeking_HVAC
Does the icon truck have any frame support? Or do the internal bumps prevent hard hits on the factory bumps? Trying to decide if I should just go with icons instead on stage 2/3 from RPG
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
The ICON Raptor has a support plate that runs under the factory bumpstop we made real quick, but nothing of any significant value. The shocks really do eat up so much energy before the OEM bumpstop can slam down which in-turn leads to bending of the frame. Is the frame perfectly strait like out of the factory, I doubt 100%, but it is in pretty good shape for what it has been through. 20- 25k miles of street driving, attending misc indoor and outdoor events, harsh testing on long whooped out roads including jumping the truck, Outlaw Creatures of the Night Raptor run, chasing at KOH, towing our Jeep to SEMA and back (Socal to Vegas) and probably more I can not think of. Hopefully that paints a picture of what ICON's Raptor has done in its existance so far. We feel our 3.0 shocks bring a huge value to the table both front and rear, tapping into further performance potential this truck had to offer.
With that said, is there reason to install a full frame support bumpstop kit? It def can not hurt if it's in your budget, especially if you plan to use your Raptor more serious than what would be considered "average / normal". There is truth the frame could be a little more robust in that region from the factory, but it was likely never expected people would be doing what they are at some of the extreme levels we have seen. "Off Roading" is very open to interpretation, and I know first hand many of you extreme enthusiast out there give these Raptors a serious beating on runs and such. Soon ICON plans to engineer frame support bumpstop kits, with our new hydraulic air bump stops, that will be specifically valved / tuned to work with the factory 2.5 or ICON 3.0 rear shocks depending what you have.
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Squatting Dog
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I agree with keeping some sort of bump stop. Dropping the pressure has worked for me.. Just trying to help my Raptor brothers out by documenting my experience/journey with Raptor suspension..
-Greg
For sure! I just don't feel pulling them off is the answer which I wasn't sure if that's the direction it was going for you.
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Okay digging around..
Ran across this old article and it deals with rock crawlers. But might be the solution I am looking for..
http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/tech/2007/4-26-07airbump/airbumps.html
For those that do not want to read the article..
In summary..
You can take the fox bump stop apart and shorten the length of the shaft. And still benefit from nitrogen bump to stop hitting the frame with the axle.
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-Greg
Ran across this old article and it deals with rock crawlers. But might be the solution I am looking for..
http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/tech/2007/4-26-07airbump/airbumps.html
For those that do not want to read the article..
In summary..
You can take the fox bump stop apart and shorten the length of the shaft. And still benefit from nitrogen bump to stop hitting the frame with the axle.
View attachment 14736
-Greg
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BlackMamba
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I think shorter stroke while maintaining psi is a fix. Great find. Could we also just remove the cap of the RPG mount tube, add 1-2" more tube and re-weld the top back on? That way you don't mess with the internals of the bump. I know zilch about welding so maybe that is a no-go. Or maybe the raised bump doesn't work as well.
The bump stop wouldn't be the "stop" if you did that. It would add resistance but the shock and shock mounts would be left to make the final stopping attempt which I don't think would end well in a hard hit.
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Yeah, if bump is already sitting as high as it can, then that is a bad idea.
I haven't installed my ICONs yet, but my bumps do get worked (about a 1/2" based on the wiped clean shafts) with the stock shocks. If after the install the "bumping" bothers me, I will probably just lower the pressure a little on the bumps.
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