7.0 V8... Yes... Again

[smurfslayer]

This is fake news. The 6.2 has more low end torque and zero boost lag. It's also more durable and has far more real world power potential once modded. Most people also think it sounds a hell of a lot better.

the 6.2 has no boost lag, and no boost.

it also only has “more” torque only if you define low end as “idle or just over idle ”. That’s the whole reason we aren’t seeing a v8 from the current line up, nothing else Ford offers matches the torque the TTv6 puts out. The 5.0 and 5.2 are nice but not making the torque the current Raptors do, and there’s no way to get them close without either more displacement or supernatural aspiration. 7 liters should come close, but it’s vaporware. It’s vaporware that would also require prohibitive redesign, QA and compliance testing for the near future. If the 7 liter engine makes it into an actual super duty, which so far most places are hedging on, the marketplace will be able to tell after a year or two.

Recent converts from the Jennifer tribe have been admitting their trucks weren’t bullet proof as the partisan crowd continues to say. Reliability discussion can be had starting in about 2020 for us to have any real and meaningful data.


Your comment about more power potential also neglects to consider what kind of reliability penalty the older design 6.2 will suffer as compared to the newer 3.5TT. Again, there’s not enough data in hand to show how long each of the respective power plants will live at tune levels pushing 4, 5, 6 or 700 rwhp.
Or more.

None of this is meaningful though.
Does anyone have a link to a credible source that either indicates Ford is actually going to put the 7.0 V8 into production, and if so, what are the target vehicles?

if it comes out, great. if it gets put into the F250/350, even better because that will give it some good street usage in the field. If it does well, maybe Ford considers it a potential Rap power plant. Unlikely, but if Dodge is able to make their upcoming truck’s transmission and suspension components live under the power levels their potentially talking about, even better because Ford will respond.

 

[jamanrr]

I’ll race a gen 2 raptor is my STI up 160 ish

 

[sher-bant]

Flame-wars are so 2006.

PWNT!

 

[Gsteve]

The only reason I came in here anyway was for the discussion on the7 liter v8 going into a raptor. Dealers have said it would, websites say they are. The only ones torpedoing it are the current v6 gen 2 owners probably because if when it happens the gen 2 v6 will go the way of the gen 1 flex fuel 5.4 liter forgotten

Dealers......why would think a dealer knows anything? They are proven to know less than the average enthusiast.

 

[Frank N]

Damn, I need more popcorn.

 

[jabroni619]

Dealers......why would think a dealer knows anything? They are proven to know less than the average enthusiast.

Keep in mind, you're talking to people who think an engine that comes up short against the 3.5EB on every metric, is somehow superior. There isn't much going on in the way of "thinking"

 

[Sharkus29]

I guess my dealership was wrong, I just assumed the 7 liter was a done deal. Usually when you hear from the General Manager and dealer about ordering one you just assume that it is an option. I did not know nor did I understand an inherent hatred for the 7 liter v8 especially on the Gen 2 side but appears that there is.

Look the GEN 2 Raptor is fast and a great street truck, in a lot of ways it probably is as fast as my STI. However, for what I use it for I am afraid it is not durable enough to handle it. The Power strokes a lot of times are direct gears, with a lot more durability and tuning available in the aftermarket. Although the 250 is way more heavier than the 150 so I guess it could be wash. I might look at the potential power stroke 150 if that hits the market since 30 mpg out of a truck is a good thing.

The second gen raptor has more than proved itself on the street and off-road. I don't know why you think it's only a street truck when it out performs every truck off road including the Gen 1, as it should. I loved my Gen 1, it was a fantastic truck and I loved the 6.2. But to say is better than my Gen 2? Not a chance, this trucks better in every way including the motor. And if it wasn't I would be pissed. Guys hate on the Ecoboost when they haven't even drove one, let alone in the new Raptor. Its a great motor and honestly with the stock exhaust the tones starting to grow on me. No one here hates on the V8, its just as of now its a rumor that's been taken and ran with.

 

[jamanrr]

The second gen raptor has more than proved itself on the street and off-road. I don't know why you think it's only a street truck when it out performs every truck off road including the Gen 1, as it should. I loved my Gen 1, it was a fantastic truck and I loved the 6.2. But to say is better than my Gen 2? Not a chance, this trucks better in every way including the motor. And if it wasn't I would be pissed. Guys hate on the Ecoboost when they haven't even drove one, let alone in the new Raptor. Its a great motor and honestly with the stock exhaust the tones starting to grow on me. No one here hates on the V8, its just as of now its a rumor that's been taken and ran with.

I have driven the 2.7 EB, the 3.5 EB, and the ho 3.5 EB. Honestly all of them felt about the same, I am familiar with high boost turbos and lag as my STI which is slightly faster than a gen 2 raptor has a high boost turbo motor. I’m not a fan of these engines nor aluminum body panels. I realize ford has done this to achieve fuel mileage but vastly superior to me is not two turbos and 3.5 liters. Take your gen 2 raptor with water over the hood and send a picture of it and let us know how it handles it cause I have transversed small rivers in my 6.2 gen 1 raptor going places none of you all will ever venture too and it has never let me down.

As a matter of fact that avatar pic is my gen 1 in a rice cut furrow field with rice shanks and 8-10 inch furrow mounds.

 

[jaz13]

I have driven the 2.7 EB, the 3.5 EB, and the ho 3.5 EB. Honestly all of them felt about the same, I am familiar with high boost turbos and lag as my STI which is slightly faster than a gen 2 raptor has a high boost turbo motor. I’m not a fan of these engines nor aluminum body panels. I realize ford has done this to achieve fuel mileage but vastly superior to me is not two turbos and 3.5 liters. Take your gen 2 raptor with water over the hood and send a picture of it and let us know how it handles it cause I have transversed small rivers in my 6.2 gen 1 raptor going places none of you all will ever venture too and it has never let me down.

As a matter of fact that avatar pic is my gen 1 in a rice cut furrow field with rice shanks and 8-10 inch furrow mounds.

Yeah, I totally agree. Ford jacked up the Raptor when they made it lighter, added more power, increased suspension travel, beefed up the frame, increased ground clearance, made the shocks bigger, and boosted MPGs. And not only did they jack with the off-road performance, they also screwed up the truck up by making it more quiet and comfortable on the road. What the **** were they thinking? Gen 1 FOREVER!!!

 

[jabroni619]

I have driven the 2.7 EB, the 3.5 EB, and the ho 3.5 EB. Honestly all of them felt about the same, I am familiar with high boost turbos and lag as my STI which is slightly faster than a gen 2 raptor has a high boost turbo motor. I’m not a fan of these engines nor aluminum body panels. I realize ford has done this to achieve fuel mileage but vastly superior to me is not two turbos and 3.5 liters. Take your gen 2 raptor with water over the hood and send a picture of it and let us know how it handles it cause I have transversed small rivers in my 6.2 gen 1 raptor going places none of you all will ever venture too and it has never let me down.

As a matter of fact that avatar pic is my gen 1 in a rice cut furrow field with rice shanks and 8-10 inch furrow mounds.

More feelings no facts. Gen2 has a higher water fording depth than the Gen1.

I have to ask, where are you getting your data from? Are you just making it up as you go?