[Gen2] New Engine Price? Follow up on Blown Engine...

[Antho]

These guys? The Chamlee's pretty much OWN class 7. Their latest truck is a Ranger tube frame chassis (with that Raptor motor), a Tremec 5 speed transmission, with 4" King Kong shocks and 40" BFG's. He's got a Gen 1 Raptor daily driver, too!View attachment 485025

Yep. Thats him. It was Dan and his wife we where talking to. Pretty funny. @TomDirt

 

[SCAR911]

For 23000$ I'd ditch the shit box eco crap and put in an LS3

 

[unashamed7]

I just replaced my motor in the fall here in Gilbert AZ with a brand new Ecoboost for $21k with a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty. My truck had 93,000 miles (it’s a 2018) and I change the oil at 5000 miles regularly. Major bummer. I looked into several 5.0 or 7.3 options and they were at least double and sometimes triple what I paid to repair it.

Thanks @roostinyfz, this aligns with what I’m seeing across my quotes. Dang, I was thinking the same thing for bigger engine - labor costs must’ve been a lot more to retrofit I guess?

 

[unashamed7]

This is a little off subject, but it ties in with the former owner saying he performed regular maintenance. When I do self-maintenance, I go to carfax and record the maintenance, along with uploading my receipts for parts. It goes a long way in assuring the next buyer that the maintenance was actually performed. When I sold my 2015 F150 3.5eb with 210k, I passed my binder with all of the repair & maintenance receipts to him, as well. For my Raptor, I'm also doing a blackstone-labs oil report every other oil change. I do full synthetic oil changes every 5k. BTW, the reports confirm the oil is still in healthy ranges, so I feel confident that I don't need to do them more frequently.

@Rickmeister 100%, I heard someone else mention carfax too and I’m realizing that he likely didn’t do that regular of oil changes unfortunately. But it still made it to 172 surprisingly.

I’m a big fan of your maintenance methods, thanks for sharing. Glad to hear your 3.5eb lasted so long! Black stone labs is a great idea thanks for the tips.

 

[roostinyfz]

Thanks @roostinyfz, this aligns with what I’m seeing across my quotes. Dang, I was thinking the same thing for bigger engine - labor costs must’ve been a lot more to retrofit I guess?

What I learned is a big expense of a 5.0 or a 7.3 liter swap is even though the transmission will work with it, the housing locates and mounts the transmission in a new different location than the ecoboost. This requires a new transmission in the swap and a lot of added expense.

 

[Badgertits]

What I learned is a big expense of a 5.0 or a 7.3 liter swap is even though the transmission will work with it, the housing locates and mounts the transmission in a new different location than the ecoboost. This requires a new transmission in the swap and a lot of added expense.

If Ford was REALLY confident in that coyote it’d be in the Ford GT….but it ain’t.

 

[Positive Traction]

Send me a DM with your phone number. I just went through this and had to replace my engine with a long block. Happy to provide all my receipts from Ford.

 

[EricM]

If Ford was REALLY confident in that coyote it’d be in the Ford GT….but it ain’t.

Can't be more than 4.0L and run boost in the class th car was developed for.

5.5L was the max N/A and Ford wasn't going to make a 5.5L V8 just for the GT.

The Coyote is deriviative of the 4.6L mod motor from 1996. The most reliable V8 in the history of the planet.

Ford has made the modular V8 engine much less reliable as they've jacked the power from 215HP to 700+ over the last 30 years, but at the same power level - the Coyote block is stiffer and the cylinder pressures are lower than the Cyclone derived 3.5L EB engines.

Keeping cylinder pressures low and having a block stiff enough to actually hold the crank bearings in place is what matters when it comes to keeping a high HP engine intact. The V6 loses to the V8 on both.

Why didn't Ford just turn up the boost some more on the V6 for the Raptor R if it's that easy?

 

[91Eunos]

No sir. Ir came with everything. All I had to resuse from my motor that was pulled out was intake manifold and throttle body. It had injectors, oil pan, and even cam with an oil filter.

@dillard09 Do you know if that motor has the updated cam phasers?

 

[91Eunos]

@unashamed7 Another option is Mountune. For ~$13-$14K you can get a complete built motor…figure $4K or so to install, and you’ll have enough left over to get the Garrett/Full Race turbos and still be ahead.

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Headgames is doing my heads, but I may still use Mountune for the short block on my build.