@ 430 hp and only 475 lb-ft....i guess the V8 in Raptor crowd will pipe down

[Cristian]

I just want a revised or updated ecoboost. There’s no way ford is going backwards so they’ll stick with the ecoboost in the raptor

 

[Badgertits]

Those are not big issues? I lived through it. Twice. Ford bought my 19 back because they could not fix it (cam phasers).

Oh boy here we go. Go on a mustang forum start reading up how great Fords V8s are then!

There are MANY examples these days of smaller Displacement FI engines making plenty of power, & they can be plenty durable too, but the V8 in discussion on this thread is for a work truck, not a performance truck, & the engine in our Raptor is the same that’s in a Ford GT- so again, coming from a former GM fanboy who owns a donkey **** calmed vette- you go buy one of these new 7.3L ford truck motors & put it in the Raptor along w/ $10k in head/cam
Work & some LT headers- I’ll stick w/ my supercar engine & throw a tune/downpipes on it for $1500 and smoke you all day every day & twice on Sunday at the strip on the street or offroad

 

[MTF]

The 3.5L engine in the GT is not even close to the same as the HO EB 3.5L that's in the Gen II Raptor.



Do some research guys before making comments, please!

 

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Oh boy here we go. Go on a mustang forum start reading up how great Fords V8s are then!

There are MANY examples these days of smaller Displacement FI engines making plenty of power, & they can be plenty durable too, but the V8 in discussion on this thread is for a work truck, not a performance truck, & the engine in our Raptor is the same that’s in a Ford GT- so again, coming from a former GM fanboy who owns a donkey **** calmed vette- you go buy one of these new 7.3L ford truck motors & put it in the Raptor along w/ $10k in head/cam
Work & some LT headers- I’ll stick w/ my supercar engine & throw a tune/downpipes on it for $1500 and smoke you all day every day & twice on Sunday at the strip on the street or offroad

Talk about a fallacious argument. All you did was set up a straw man to try and justify your conclusion.

 

[ademarco]

The 3.5L engine in the GT is not even close to the same as the HO EB 3.5L that's in the Gen II Raptor.



Do some research guys before making comments, please!

At the Raptor Assault course, one of the instructors is also an engineer for the Gen II and the Gen III platform. He stated the motor is the same, but the cost for the GT is due to the carbon frame. He stated the Gen I was a parts bin truck and the Gen II was designed specifically to reinforce the frame and suspension for off-road driving.

I love turbo cars, but it is a love hate relationship as we all know when the intercooler heatsoaks, then we lose power. If you fully built it like a 2JZ, then it could put down more reliable power. Eventually the increased power would either tear up the trans or the axles.

I mentioned they should put the motor on from the GT350 into the Raptor, but he stated it is a fragile motor that can’t be driven hard. I love the sound, but like reliability. The GM V8 vortec motors are reliable, but not really performance based.

I am glad I bought the extended warranty from Ford for my Gen II since the turbos or suspension could go at any moment. I am satisfied with the power and capability of the stock Gen II. If I wanted all out power, then I’d get a hellcat or diesel truck with 1500 lbs. of torque.

https://media.ford.com/content/ford...eries-super-duty-tremor-off-road-package.html
https://www.motor1.com/news/356903/ford-super-duty-tremor-package/
Ford Tremor, (7.3 gas or 6.7 diesel) but definitely not jumping if from dunes. Most likely a good option for people that tow.

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[MTF]

When I get a chance, I will Google the GT 3.5L for you.
The block and heads (less the valves and cams) is the same but that's all, the GT's engine is well north of 60K

I don't think that's what that engineer said exactly.

The Gen 1's frame was designed with double wall steel for off-roading capabilities, then more reinforcement was added in later years 12 to 14 to the weak point found in the 10 and 11 years.
The Gen 2's frame needed even more reinforcement because the aluminum body is not as strong as the steel one.
That's why it's only 470 lbs. lighter not the 1000 that was predicted early on.

All that info is out there. And on this forum somewhere.
I've been following the Raptor since 09 and been active on here for over 9 years.

 

[Badgertits]

The 3.5L engine in the GT is not even close to the same as the HO EB 3.5L that's in the Gen II Raptor.



Do some research guys before making comments, please!

Ummm yeah I did, that’s why I said that. There’s basically nothing different w/ the engine itself, but the intake, the turbos, & the entire exhaust is what contributes to the bigger power (along w/ tuning obviously....not to mention the GT is tuned to run from the factory on 93...raptor would probably be rated @ 480hp if it was tuned for 91+ octane exclusively)

Maybe you should do some research. I’ve also been told this by various performance shops when learning about tunes & one of the things they bring up is how the engine is easily capable of handling more power b/c of that fact. The tranny is the same GM is using in the camaro ZL1 etc. so it should be good to handle additional power as well.

I think cooling is the biggest factor for the Gen 2 raptors- I plan on adding a larger intercooler & a tranny cooler even if I remain stock tune-wise this will result in more consistent HP & better performance. If/when I do add a tune it’ll be more suited to handle the extra power.

Back to original subject- the 7.3 is probably gonna be a good n/a V8 truck workhorse motor, & as much as I like V8s I still prefer this- like someone else mentioned this was a full ground up redesign for the Raptor & learned from mistakes on the first gen (like beefing up the frame & shock mounts for starters) while the first gen was kinda a “work in progress” hence WHY it wound up initially w/ an engine that belonged in a regular F150 & then later w/ a bigger displacement HD gasser engine- not a super car engine.

My understanding is the Raptor shares the heads/forged crank/pistons & connecting rods w/ the GT. The compression ratio is similar too I believe- but not sure. Block is obviously the same. Why is it difficult to believe that if you installed bigger turbos, a freer flowing intake/exhaust, higher compression ratio & engine mapping for 91+ octane that this engine would EASILY make the power it does in the GT?

 

[Sernas]

So is it safe to say my 1965 F-100 with a 289 has a supercar engine because the original GT-40 came with a version of the 289? The Raptors 3.5 is not a supercar engine it’s revised F-150, Taurus and Explorer engine.

 

[Remi]

Just here for all the "experts" comments, but I can say that if you put a V8 truck from the factory against the gen2 raptor, the V8 just gonna make cool noises, it's what we call "all bark and no bite"

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[RUFdriver]

FWIW I was told the same thing at the Raptor Assault in 2017, the speaker mentioned the Raptor and GT shared the same long block but the intake / turbos/ exhaust were significantly different. These are huge differences. Anyone who knows about turbos understands the prices increase exponentially as the turbines grow. So yes and no it’s the same motor, both are correct to an extent.