@ 430 hp and only 475 lb-ft....i guess the V8 in Raptor crowd will pipe down

[WHYUMAD]

It does always amaze me when I see Gen 1 guys say how the 6.2 is better becuase if you put a SC on it then it makes more power that the 3.5L EB. Well of course it does as it's a much bigger engine. I prefer to compare stock to stock since only a few people will buy these types of trucks and modify them to the point the factory warranty is gone.

Now if you are one of those people I can see you wanting a V8 in the raptor as you can put a FI on it and make it a killer machine. And that's great, but it does not make the base V8 ":better" than the 3.5EB.

I don't think the 7.3L tremor will really affect Raptor sales much at all, but you are right if someone wants to go super bad a$$ then they will get the 7.3L, put a blower on it and have a machine. Really though would it be better to do that or just have the PS engine and have full warranty and much better resale?

Why not do a 6.7L Diesel Tremor? The 6.7L Diesel will be over 500 HP & 1000+ TQ for 2020. They’ll have steel pistons as well. Delete, Bolt-ons, & Tune it...the 7.3L & 3.5L will have 0 shot.

I’m actually now in between getting a Platinum or Limited 6.7L Tremor, Raptor, or Roush Supercharged & doing a Raptor conversion on it after I heard about the Tremor package & improvements to the 6.7L. The only issues I’ve had with the 6.7L is fuel contamination (high pressure fuel system & ****** water filters in earlier years, now they’ve beefed up their filtration system) & emissions/DEF stuff going out after 100k miles. Adding a secondary filter for earlier models solved the fuel contamination issue & deleting all the emissions, etc. fixed the rest. I have 18 trucks in my fleet (all 2011-2019 Superduties) & have yet to have any other issues with the 6.7L diesel engine. The 7.3L is a nice option that should take the crappy 6.2L’s place down the line completely, but unless proven otherwise, I wouldn’t expect it to handle boost reliably..maybe 6 or so pounds, possibly more due to its lower compression.

I had a 6.2L Raptor & procharged it..complete shit engine in terms of handling boost. The 7.3L probably won’t handle boost well either. After 9 lbs..yeah, my 6.2L shit out. I made over 650rwhp on MS109 & 37’s after building the engine though. I forget how many lbs I was making with the D1SC procharger... 12-15 lbs I believe. The 5.0 would be the best available choice if the decided to put a V8 in the raptor (supercharged or NA), period. It’s cost effective, proven, part of their production line already, & delivers close performance #’s when compared to the ecoboost. Maybe even a GT350 variant perhaps, utilizing the 5.2L engine more may be cost effective too, but probably not like the 5.0. If they went with a gt500 engine..well, that’d put the costs at close to $90-$100k for the Raptor probably (limited edition?). I say put an N/A 5.0 in them & let people do the Roushcharger option through Ford Performance with a 3 yr/36,000 mile powertrain warranty if they’d like, but the NA 5.0 would still deliver great performance & have a huge aftermarket for it.

The Raptor & Tremor will cannibalize each others sales a bit, but not any more than the FX4 has, as the Tremor is just a +1 FX4 package really. Pricing will be similar ($60-$80k range, depending on trim level & options). The Raptor is more of a fun truck. The Superduty is more of a business truck. Both are comfortable commuters. It really comes down to the buyer’s personal taste.

 

[Daniel Henley]

Apples to oranges bro- that engine is meant for a REAL truck, a work truck. A truck that may idle for 2 hrs straight, that’ll get an oil change when the light starts blinking, that’ll be asked to tow @ it’s max rating in traffic w/ the AC cranked then I the winter have a plow strapped to it the entire time - while I didn’t read the fine print most likely this is an iron block motor & while the article kinda touches on this I’m sure the engineers tuned it more for lower revs, flat torque curve- REPEATABLE power over the course of work day & over the course of its lifetime. The HO 3.5 is a great engine for what it is, but it isn’t an ideal platform for a HDwork truck by any means.

Different issue- You mention size, first off I can’t remember the last time I really was impressed all around by a Ford V8 other than the terminator cobra motors from early 2000s w/ all the upgraded internals. In comparison to GM fords always produced either engines that are architecturally way bigger than they need to be (the raptors 3.5 included) have you ever looked @ their 5.0 compared to GMs 7.0 lol?!??? Displacement wise- again, it’s underpowered in terms of hp per liter relative to a TWIN TURBO 3.5, but not terribly so in the overall scheme of things.

Reminder- repeatable power that doesn’t drop off as drastically in poor conditions, high mileage, heavy workload etc. if you put a 3.5 EB Into an HD truck that’s already lugging around extra 1000 lbs body weight & idles all day ya gonna be cooking the intercooler chewing through plugs & changing oil frequently. The engine will have to work much harder all the time while recvving higher to do its job vs.this 7.3

If HP per displacement was so important over repeatable durable power then riddle me this, why didn’t GM replace their vortec 6.0 that dates back to the 90s w/ the 6.2 ecotec debuted in 2014 that makes more power, weighs less, gets better fuel mileage? Both V8 truck engines right? The answer is because they know when it comes down to it 1 is a lighter duty engine more geared toward performance & power that Holds in the upper revs the other is a more work duty specific truck only engine they KNOW will hold up to the abuse it will most likely see. Same goes w/ this new 7.3 from ford.

GM did finally replace the ancient 6.0 vortec w/ a new 6.6- gonna make similar HP to the 7.3 Ford. Again - they didn’t use their 6.2, which would save them $$$ too, there’s a reason why.

I couldn't agree more Badgertits. Well, other than that I am pretty impressed with the 6.2. Another thought in my opinion is that the EcoBoost engine is being heavily strained to produce its HP whereas the 6.2 is actually over-enginered to reach its potential. Therefore, in addition to being more suitable for heavier tasks, it should also long outlast the EcoBoost. I'm notorious for getting very high mileage out of vehicles with five under my belt at over 300k and one that was even pushing 600k. The latter was taken out by an act of God. In short, I believe I'm driving a million mile motor whereas the EcoBoost will most likely tap out (200k?) way earlier.

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[SVTTrooper]

There is also MPG to consider in relation to CAFE, where I may be wrong but super duty trucks are excluded. A 7.3L NA gas engine is not going to be great there.

all trucks are in the same category

 

[BaseRaptor]

The components in the 3.5l 450 HP EB V-6 are under higher internal stress than a naturally aspirated V8 like the new 7.3. No argument here that the new 7.3 will last longer the the current Raptor engine.

I like the simplicity of the new 7.3 engine, it’s so old school. I also wonder if the new engine shown in photos will actually look as clean and uncluttered once it’s installed on the production line. Are emission requirements for 3/4 ton and higher trucks different than 1/2 tons?

Regarding the Tremor, I think it’s a wise business move on Fords part. They will steal market share from the aftermarket wheel, tire and suspension companies. The best part is that everything is properly engineered and covered under the factory warranty. It will be a great deal if Ford offers the F250 in XLT trim for $49,995.

 

[Sernas]

Why not do a 6.7L Diesel Tremor? The 6.7L Diesel will be over 500 HP & 1000+ TQ for 2020. They’ll have steel pistons as well. Delete, Bolt-ons, & Tune it...the 7.3L & 3.5L will have 0 shot.

I’m actually now in between getting a Platinum or Limited 6.7L Tremor, Raptor, or Roush Supercharged & doing a Raptor conversion on it after I heard about the Tremor package & improvements to the 6.7L. The only issues I’ve had with the 6.7L is fuel contamination (high pressure fuel system & ****** water filters in earlier years, now they’ve beefed up their filtration system) & emissions/DEF stuff going out after 100k miles. Adding a secondary filter for earlier models solved the fuel contamination issue & deleting all the emissions, etc. fixed the rest. I have 18 trucks in my fleet (all 2011-2019 Superduties) & have yet to have any other issues with the 6.7L diesel engine. The 7.3L is a nice option that should take the crappy 6.2L’s place down the line completely, but unless proven otherwise, I wouldn’t expect it to handle boost reliably..maybe 6 or so pounds, possibly more due to its lower compression.

I had a 6.2L Raptor & procharged it..complete shit engine in terms of handling boost. The 7.3L probably won’t handle boost well either. After 9 lbs..yeah, my 6.2L shit out. I made over 650rwhp on MS109 & 37’s after building the engine though. I forget how many lbs I was making with the D1SC procharger... 12-15 lbs I believe. The 5.0 would be the best available choice if the decided to put a V8 in the raptor (supercharged or NA), period. It’s cost effective, proven, part of their production line already, & delivers close performance #’s when compared to the ecoboost. Maybe even a GT350 variant perhaps, utilizing the 5.2L engine more may be cost effective too, but probably not like the 5.0. If they went with a gt500 engine..well, that’d put the costs at close to $90-$100k for the Raptor probably (limited edition?). I say put an N/A 5.0 in them & let people do the Roushcharger option through Ford Performance with a 3 yr/36,000 mile powertrain warranty if they’d like, but the NA 5.0 would still deliver great performance & have a huge aftermarket for it.

The Raptor & Tremor will cannibalize each others sales a bit, but not any more than the FX4 has, as the Tremor is just a +1 FX4 package really. Pricing will be similar ($60-$80k range, depending on trim level & options). The Raptor is more of a fun truck. The Superduty is more of a business truck. Both are comfortable commuters. It really comes down to the buyer’s personal taste.

There’s plenty of these “complete shit” 6.2s that handle boost just fine with proper tuning. Unless you beat it like a teenager they do pretty well. Seen Roush trucks with 130k+
Miles still running strong. Now the 3.5 is another story. I agree on doing the conversion to a 5.0 that would be a killer combo.

 

[WHYUMAD]

There’s plenty of these “complete shit” 6.2s that handle boost just fine with proper tuning. Unless you beat it like a teenager they do pretty well. Seen Roush trucks with 130k+
Miles still running strong. Now the 3.5 is another story. I agree on doing the conversion to a 5.0 that would be a killer combo.

Yeah..on 9 psi & lower (I gaptized a Roush Raptor on low boost with my setup, those things are slouches stock). JDM Engineering did the tuning, so that wasn’t the issue. I hardly beat on any of my vehicles...the stocks internals aren’t that great under boost. The 5.0L DOHC 4V is far better than the 6.2L SOHC 2V & I wish they would’ve put it in the Gen 1...or even the 5.4L aluminum block GT500 engine. People are running 18+ psi on stock internal 5.0Ls. The 6.2L is a great, reliable workhorse engine if you leave it N/A (Livernois had a expensive badass Raptor R N/A option). The lack of aftermarket for the 6.2L wasn’t fun either. It was a bitch to get a custom cam back then. I’d take a 6.2L over a 3.5L ecoboost though, but a 5.0L over both.