2021 Ford F-150 Raptor order guide confirms 3.5L EcoBoost V6 as base engine

[krww06]

I want the supercharged V8 option and unless it comes out I'm not sure that I'd be interested in a 2021 or 2022. As someone pointed out earlier, unless they have exactly what I want, there is no "reason/incentive" for me personally to shell out a ton of extra money to upgrade my Gen1 with 28k miles. Obviously I don't drive a lot, so the whole issue of mpg is a moot point for me.

 

[Hamm3r]

I want the supercharged V8 option and unless it comes out I'm not sure that I'd be interested in a 2021 or 2022. As someone pointed out earlier, unless they have exactly what I want, there is no "reason/incentive" for me personally to shell out a ton of extra money to upgrade my Gen1 with 28k miles. Obviously I don't drive a lot, so the whole issue of mpg is a moot point for me.

Bingo. That's a great point. I drive 25k+ miles a year. Fuel economy does matter some-what to me.

 

[Kaz109]

I just dont want there to be multiple options . Ford should diminish the prestige/uniqueness of the raptor buy adding multiple engines options like every other run of the mill car and truck model just to appease the few ( who more than likely wont buy it anyway or buy it used)


I have pointed out to @RCS and many other and so far nobody has been able to argument back as to why the raptor has to have two motor options but its it's ok for any and EVERY other specialty vehicle to have a single motor option.

 

[Raptor R]

I just dont want there to be multiple options . Ford should diminish the prestige/uniqueness of the raptor buy adding multiple engines options like every other run of the mill car and truck model just to appease the few ( who more than likely wont buy it anyway or buy it used)


I have pointed out to @RCS and many other and so far nobody has been able to argument back as to why the raptor has to have two motor options but its it's ok for any and EVERY other specialty vehicle to have a single motor option.

Just because you don’t want the option of 2 engines, that does not mean no one else does. Not everyone wants the TT V6. To say only a few will buy a GT500 powered Raptor is a cop out. I don’t know many people who will want the TT V6 in the new GEN 3. I sure don’t. If they do that it will be very disappointing. There will be no reason/incentive for any of us owners to move up to the GEN 3 at that point. May as well keep the GEN 2’s. If Ford offers it with one engine option that is either the GT500 engine or a 650 HP high output hybrid, then great. I believe many will be happy.


In regards to you saying EVERY specialty cars not offering Multiple engine options, you are wrong again. Have a look at the Audi R8. For years it has been offered in either a V8 OR a V10 for the spirited. I can tell you I don’t know anyone who bought that car in the V8 option. V10 is the only way to go with that car.

I also don’t believe that 2 engine options for the GEN 3 raptor diminishes the prestige at all. What will do that is trying to offer the 450 HP engine that has been in the truck for 5 years when the TRX is running around with a 702 HP HC engine.

Until Ford has an official release no one knows what they have up their sleeves for the GEN 3. Just chill out and see what they do.

 

[Idaho]

The Porsche 911 has multiple engine options as well.

 

[Raptor R]

The Porsche 911 has multiple engine options as well.

Exactly.


For me, it will be an epic fail for Ford to release a so-called new GEN 3 raptor with the same 450 hp engine that has been in the truck for over five years. It is time to evolve.

 

[nmp1]

I think a multi engine option is a checkmate from a marketing standpoint. This allows people to get into a real raptor at a much lower cost compared to a trx. That means most of the raptor goodies instead of poser truck with big tires and stickers, cough rebel.

Not everyone has unlimited money to burn and many of the people who daily their raptor want more than single digit fuel mileage. This is the point where people usually say “if you can afford a raptor, you can afford to fuel it. Not true, a lot of people who bought raptors did so with a minimum down payment to the tune of $1000-$1200 monthly payments.

With our new administration there is a war on oil coming and $5 a gallon gas is a real possibility. Now pair that daily driving with a raptor r and you can expect to spend $1000 a month just to feed it. That is on top of the $20k price increase for the v8 over the v6 and it makes even more sense.

It seems like ram is going to build the trx with no limit to anyone who will buy it. That leads to 2 main concerns with the gen 3 with 2 engines.

1. ford playing the ridiculous allocation game with the v8 raptor like they have with the Shelby 350/500.

2. if 1 is true it will lead to outrageous dealer markups any only those with the deepest pockets will be able to afford it despite ford claiming how competitive the pricing is.

on a side not, not everyone loathes the v6 and i would expect a slight power bump for the new gen. however the new f150s have a new egr system that they didnt have last gen.

 

[smurfslayer]

2. if 1 is true it will lead to outrageous dealer markups any only those with the deepest pockets will be able to afford it despite ford claiming how competitive the pricing is.

There’s no “if 1 is true”, all the Gen3’s will have mark ups as they roll out. If you don’t already have a guy/gal who will get an order in for you at MSRP and you plan to buy a 1st MY gen3, you’re paying ADM in all likelihood.

<insert chest thumping, I NEVER PAY OVER MSRP response here>

Yeah, I know you don’t. Neither did literally hundreds of current Gen2 owners who bought 2017’s, heck even some 2018’s. Sure, if you know a stealership owner and have pictures of his daughter doing naughty things that you threaten to release to the public, you might get 1k under, but, the general public is paying over MSRP for the Gen3 for about a year. I’m betting we’re going to see +30 and +35k ADM this time around. I know around DC, every stealership within 50 miles of the capitol had a minimum 5k ADM in early 2017, I saw as high as +25k. I think the rural stealerships have wised up to this more and more and less and less of them are willing to either go as low as MSRP or even negotiate.
OTOH, who in the **** in Alderson, WbGV is going to shell out low 6 figures for a truck? You’re going to see a lot of bigger stealerships buying from smaller stealerships and marking them up even higher just like with the Gen2.

Ford seemed to have a pretty good handle on how much they can get away with charging for the Rap, only a few stealerships got left holding the bag asking 5k over back in 2020.

You’ve got a long time to consider it too. Gen2’s weren’t actually in stealerships until December of 2016 - January 2017.

 

[nmp1]

sounds like you havent had a good experience with dealers.

https://www.flemingtonford.com/

this is the dealer i buy from, no markups on ford performance vehicles

 

[codeman]

Ah, I see no reason to be "upset" if they are offering another 3.5L HO EcoBoost, but I think Ford would be really missing the mark if they didn't have the option of a V8. I don't mind at all the power available in my 2020 Gen. 2 but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't prefer a V8.

That being said, I'm one of the guys who while I "don't care" about gas mileage, I DO care at the same time. To say people are stupid or whatever for caring about MPG is just nonsense. The TRX sounds awesome, and is very powerful but for a performance vehicle, especially one geared towards being a balanced package it's not all about horsepower and "**** MPG".

If you're running out in the desert, or through the mountains in BC, it's great to have more power ... up to a point. But you also don't want to be worried about how far you can drive out in the middle of the desert to the point where you have to carefully plan your outing to make sure you don't go too far or play for too long, before you have to consider how far away the next gas station is or carry 10 gallons of extra fuel with you and know you'll have to use it to stay out as long as you'd like!

I've said it before in another thread, but if a Gen 3 has the option of a V8 making somewhere in the 600's for HP and lb-ft of torque it'd be a good balance, and keep the HO EcoBoost squarely covering 450 - 550 sort of range with perhaps the new hybrid approach, it'd make for an interesting choice between the two engine options.