Why wouldn't Ford put 3.5 EcoBoost in Raptors?

[Ruger]

Also, I really wonder about long term reliability of an ecoboost raptor.... I know a lot of guys only plan to keep their trucks for a few years, but personally I want to keep mine for the long haul and would not trust an ecoboost engine to last nearly as long as the 6.2 just purely based on the size of the block alone. Especially when you consider the hell most of these truck are put through.

Bingo.

 

[MagicMtnDan]

The Raptor is an SVT vehicle. That's supposed to make it "special" in terms of performance.

Of course any engine could have its performance increased but Ford is concerned about a lot of aspects of the engine including but not limited to:

* Performance - TQ & HP
* Reliability
* MPGs
* Off road performance
* Towing
* Reliability
* Durability
and reliability

We can be certain that the Raptor will, as long as its in production, will be "special" and offer exceptional performance capabilities

 

[Reptar]

I don't argue mod potential very often cause everyone starts complaining about the cost of modding a 6.2, I don't care about the cost cause it costs money to make power the proper way, as for the ease of gaining power with the 3.5 EB, you already have two turbos, they're being forced to suck air through a restrictive intake and force exhaust out a restrictive cat back system, of course it's gonna be easy to make power just replacing the supporting mods (intake, exhaust, tune), but if you put twin turbos on a 6.2L without replacing those things it would be just as easy or more so to make power once you did, I prefer the 6.2 because it has a much greater power potential and I have the freedom to go whichever route I wish to reach that power potential (n/a, supercharger, turbo, nitrous, any combination I want of the three forms of forced induction) instead of if I change my mind with the EB I'd have to rip all the turbo systems out first before starting back down the road of modifications

except that goes back to my point, yes you can add twin turbos to a 6.2 and make waaaay more power than a factory twin turbo 3.5, but you're dropping an easy $10k to do twin turbos on the 6.2 lol. You're out only 15% of that to just swap an intake, tune, and downpipe on a factory TT setup lol. That's why I always prefer factory boosted vehicles, it's gobs cheaper to upgrade and do mods to, than factory n/a vehicles. I find it funny a rationale a lot of guys use for the 6.2 is if they wanted they could do stroker big bore twin turbo blah blah blah, and make retarded power, and their mod list is an intake and tune and stubby antenna lol.

The Raptor is an SVT vehicle. That's supposed to make it "special" in terms of performance.

Too bad there's absolutely nothing "special" in terms of the performance of the 6.2 for the Raptor. lol

 

[skyscraper]

Reptard,

Do you know the difference between 3.5L and 6.2L pushing a 6000# vehicle in terms of durability? Ill give you a hint, larger is better.

 

[locktech]

Reptard,

Do you know the difference between 3.5L and 6.2L pushing a 6000# vehicle in terms of durability? Ill give you a hint, larger is better.

"Reptard" Now that's a reason to "lol"

 

[matrix243]

Some good points brought up.

Even though this topics been beat to death before but there's some things stats can't account for. There was a test where they compared the 5L vs 3.5 towing under load, and just how much more the 3.5 had to work then the 5L and it showed with the real world mpg difference. If thats the case, how much of a difference would their be between the 3.5L vs 6.2L hauling a 6000+lb truck full time, with extra gear and 35 tires? So durability is definitely a decider.

I'm sure for could've easily went the 3.5 route with the raptor, but that defeats the point of view of the raptor. I'm not sure what value you put in under but, v8 power in a offroad performance truck has a better ring to it. In fact thats their motto since the muscle car days.

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Oh and I know turbos are probably widely used in baja racing but heat is a killer on turbos and ford was adamant on showcasing the truck in baja.

 

[Cleave]

The death of the v-8 will be the beginning of the slow death of performance, if the vehicle manufacturing industry thinks we want mpg more than horsepower then eventually we will have only 1 cylinder engines and for performance we'll have 1 cylinder turbos, I want 8, 10, 12, even 16 cylinders to live on forever, if we accept that v-6 turbos are the future then we accept that performance cars will soon be the past and soon the regulations will come down and enthusiastic driving practices will more strictly be cracked down upon until we are no longer allowed to even drive our cars to work ourselves, it will be done by a computer that prevents any accident, let alone drive them down a back road or even worse offroad, if we give the econazis an inch, they'll take everything, not just a mile

 

[Maxx2893]

Some good points brought up.

Even though this topics been beat to death before but there's some things stats can't account for. There was a test where they compared the 5L vs 3.5 towing under load, and just how much more the 3.5 had to work then the 5L and it showed with the real world mpg difference. If thats the case, how much of a difference would their be between the 3.5L vs 6.2L hauling a 6000+lb truck full time, with extra gear and 35 tires? So durability is definitely a decider.

I'm sure for could've easily went the 3.5 route with the raptor, but that defeats the point of view of the raptor. I'm not sure what value you put in under but, v8 power in a offroad performance truck has a better ring to it. In fact thats their motto since the muscle car days.

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Oh and I know turbos are probably widely used in baja racing but heat is a killer on turbos and ford was adamant on showcasing the truck in baja.

Actually desert racing is dominated by NA motors. Not many FI

 

[Cleave]

Actually desert racing is dominated by NA motors. Not many FI

This is true, only rally has an even considerable following with forced induction

 

[wanderfalk]

Cars today generally have way more horsepower today than when i was coming up. 300 hp was hard to come by in the old v8s. Now many 6s hit around 3oo hp. If people will pay for hp they will build it. I do not fear a gutless generation of autos,that to me is the sky is falling.Eco boost the word is just a bs marketing tool. Ecology has nothing to do with it. Real word mpg between the 5 liter and eco boost are the same 15mpg. If I keep the raptor ten years wonder what gas will cost then 7 or 8 bucks a gallon. I want powerful light engines to be sorted out by then, so more power to the folks willing to be beta testers.

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variable valves. direct injection. 4or5 valves per cylinder, two plugs per cylinder, turbos and superchargers from the factory at price points i can afford these are heady times to me.